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bigjimmyauk said:
i think you do not understand the opDO YOU THINK THE I7 IS WORTH THE PRICE PREMIUM
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IT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU USE YOUR COMPUTER FOR :p

If you're someone who uses a lot of intensive programs and does a lot of encoding, then yes. Also, worth the price premium over what? From Big.Wayne's earlier post I'm assuming the X4 620. But what the hell is the point in comparing these 2 processors? Would it not be a lot more worthwhile to compare it with the i3? It's a bit like asking if the Athlon X4 620 is worth the price premium over the 6000+ X2. Of course it is if you're going to make use of the power? What more is there to it?
 
I'M sure the am3 system will be around much longer than 1156 which is why i like amd these days not constantly forcing you to change socket for the latest tech.

anyway now you have answered the op FINALLY
 
Anyway in this review the X4 620 does quite well in Pov-Ray and not even too badly in SPECviewPerf 10:

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2452&page=12

This is a comment from the review:

"It's no surprise that the Athlon II X4 620 does well in POV-ray, which can effectively split rendering in four, one for each core of the Athlon II X4 620. If you need to build a farm of 3D-rendering PCs, the Athlon II X4 620 represents excellent multi-threaded value."
 
bigjimmyauk said:
I'M sure the am3 system will be around much longer than 1156 which is why i like amd these days not constantly forcing you to change socket for the latest tech.

anyway now you have answered the op FINALLY
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Finally? :p I've only made one post :D

But anyway, another argument for the i7 is that it will not need to be upgraded for longer. A good example is my friend, who about 3 years ago went for an 8800gtx over a 8800gts 640. The performance in benchmarks between the two was probably about the same or less than the gap between the X4 640 and the I7 920 at stock and the 8800gtx was of course sold at a price premium, what with it being the fastest card available at the time. The difference is, if he bought the 8800gts, he would have upgraded much sooner and spent more, or the same amount of money overall, but as it's such a good performer, even by today's standards, he's only just upgraded to a 5850, and even then his 8800gtx was still running most of his games maxed out. The GTX is still worth a fair amount today and is still a widely respected card, whilst the 8800gts 640 is basically completely redundant and worthless.
 
Is it worth it is subjective and down to individual usage and cannot be answered for every circumstance. For me it was an easy decision and I am very happy with my purchase, if I were to just sit on the net and reply to emails then obviously a less powerful pc would suffice. I also see people complaining intel have too many socket types but as s775 has no new cpu's that leaves 1156 and 1366 for new buyers the same amount as amd with their am2 and am3.
 
just seen this on wiki looks interesting lolz


Socket FS1 ? ? AMD ? ? ? Future product. Announced, but not released.
Socket G34 Q1 2010 (planned) ? AMD LGA 1974 3.2 GHz HT3 Future product. Announced, but not released. Will be used for the Opteron 6000 series CPUs.
Socket C32 Q2 2010 (planned) ? AMD LGA 1207 3.2 GHz HT3 Future product. Announced, but not released. Will be used for the Opteron 4000 series CPUs.
Socket AM3 Revision 2 2011 (planned) ? AMD PGA 941 ? Future product. Announced, but not released. Is intended to support the upcoming Bulldozer-based desktop CPUs in 2011.
 
JeffyB said:
Wayne why do you still try to flog a dead horse
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How amusing, you have taken a wonderful, modern, capable product and attempted to turn it into a "dead horse" . . .this is of course entirely based on your personal perception and in no way related to truth or fact . . . .

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and choose to ignore the evidence I posted regarding min frame rates and the use of a different cards in the benchmarks you appear to have based a lot of this on
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That's not true? hehe I am using the dead horse right now and I am suitably impressed by its performance, I do not need benchmarks or any futher evidence myself as the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and JeffyB I can tell you hand on heart the eating is good indeed! :D . . . . the problem I face here is convincing you of this truth as you care little for what I say because it undermines everything you hold to be true, for this I apoligize and it is not my intention to cause you distress but simply to set you free! :)

The AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is a more capable product then you need yet you seem dead set against accepting this truth of which I speak because it means everything you know and hold dear is nothing more than a falsehood

JeffyB said:
Amd have made up some ground but not enough to force the higher end of the performance market down
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As long as people continue to hold the notion that the flagship product is worth a 100%-156% premium over the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 then they can continue to charge this huge premium . . . however once people wake up and seek out the truth with an unbiased viewpoint I believe the Intel® Corporation will lose customers in droves . . .

We are looking a performance & price JeffyB, the flagship product is not designed to accommodate the needs of a great majority of people on these forums yet we dance and sing about how wonderous it is? :confused:

I represent the Old-School of overclockers and it is my job here to uphold certain principles this movement was founded on, the idea was you give as little money as possible to these multi-billion dollar corporations . . . it would seems times have changed . . . Now please understand the alternative I am suggesting is extremely powerful and will accommodate most users needs with aplomb, the rules have changed, things like pricepoints and high-end or low end are entirely irrelevant in 2010 . . . there is only performance that is needed and a perceived value (i.e cost £££) . . .

I have an amarda of machines out their powering many different individuals in their daily work, ranging from FX dealers to Artists to Video-Editors to Gamers etc, a very wide range of people all with their different needs so I have a decent understanding or what is and what is not good hardware, none of these people have ePeenies and none of them are competitive benchers, all of them use their computers as a tool and all of them are well taken care of by hardware that is years old, the only areas of technology that are showing a meaningful progression atm are Graphics cards and SSD drives and anyone is who wise would be channelling as much of their budgets as possible into these two products . . . GPU's more relevant to the gamers at present but with the advent of GPGPU the advantage of owning a powerful GPU becomes more mainstream . . .

JeffyB said:
I won't just buy an amd system in some misguided belief it will make things better for everyone
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I would say you have already succumbed to "misguided belief"

JeffyB said:
If you want [affordable] pc fair enough ([off-topic] is still arguably better) but you cannot even remotely compare the 2 setups. I for one would not like to see my shiny new £350 graphics card chugging along at 17fps.
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The disparity between what is reality and what is the reality you believe is truely astonishing! ;) . . . . I'm sorry to even be having this conversation with you as ultimately the harder you battle against the truth the worse you are making it for yourself and others . . . . You are not demonstrating an unbiased viewpoint and in all ways very little of the words you speak are based in fact . . . . Ignorance is bliss to some but times are changing and there are many truth-seekers out there right now looking with fresh eyes at *imperical* evidence and presenting their factual findings to others, as said already it is not the questions or questioner but rather the falshood of the answers one has been living . . . I have no malice or ill feeling to you at all, I respect you as a fellow forum member and welcome *logical* debate, I will not however be drawn into a circular debate with someone who does not deal in facts . . . . and facts are not three or four benchmarks!

United we stand, divided we fall! which side are you on JeffyB? the peoples or the corporations? :cool:
 
Big.Wayne. The premium is worth it for a lot of people. The i7 920 often can be overclocked to over 4ghz, at this speed is destroys everything AMD has by a large margin. You could say no programs or games can really benefit from this speed and the fact is has 8 threads, but you must think about the future.

Also, what do you make of my 8800gtx comment in my previous post? I think it's very relevant to the topic.
 
Big.Wayne said:
I am amazed that anyone can construct a sentence using the word INTEL® Core™ i7 920 and Bang-for-buck contained within! :D

JeffyB, I have a task to perform here and sadly it does mean I have to demonstrate what the price premium of the 920 offers above and beyond that of the 620, I do not wish you offend you by washing away the marketing generated illusions that you hold dear but there is no other way . . . your perception of the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is clouded by subjective bias and a multi-million dollar $$$ marketing campaign designed to trick you into spending more money than you need, it is in factnothing more than brainwashing as can be proven by the fact that you are now part of the Marketing Hokus-Pokus acting as a guardian of the Intel® Corporation in your attempts to defend and justify that which you believe to be true . . . the statement you have made above proves the falsehood of which I speak . . .
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This is a joke right?
 
Big.Wayne said:
How amusing, you have taken a wonderful, modern, capable product and attempted to turn it into a "dead horse" . . .this is of course entirely based on your personal perception and in no way related to truth or fact . . . .
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FFS Wayne you are ruining the boards with this AMD level of psychophancy
 
bigjimmyauk said:
I'M sure the am3 system will be around much longer than 1156 which is why i like amd these days not constantly forcing you to change socket for the latest tech.

anyway now you have answered the op FINALLY
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ON what rev?

Some AM3 mobo (rev 1) will not support the new 6 core AMD chips due to voltage limitation.

So be clear before you become a smart *** :p
 
Big.Wayne said:
I would say you have already succumbed to "misguided belief"


The disparity between what is reality and what is the reality you believe is truely astonishing! ;) . . . . I'm sorry to even be having this conversation with you as ultimately the harder you battle against the truth the worse you are making it for yourself and others . . . . You are not demonstrating an unbiased viewpoint and in all ways very little of the words you speak are based in fact . . . . Ignorance is bliss to some but times are changing and there are many truth-seekers out there right now looking with fresh eyes at *imperical* evidence and presenting their factual findings to others, as said already it is not the questions or questioner but rather the falshood of the answers one has been living . . . I have no malice or ill feeling to you at all, I respect you as a fellow forum member and welcome *logical* debate, I will not however be drawn into a circular debate with someone who does not deal in facts . . . . and facts are not three or four benchmarks!

United we stand, divided we fall! which side are you on JeffyB? the peoples or the corporations? :cool:
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No the facts are on these forums


People with i3 at the same price making mince meat out of Athlon II 620 in games


You're priceless


You sound like a religious nut...but its not god or humanity...its your ego and AMD


EDIT: you sound like Born again Baldwin in the Big Brother House preaching the word of the lord


EDIT AGAIN: truth-seekers out there?

Just look at the results of people on this forum


I will start a gaming bench thread soon that will put this tired BS thread to bed once and for all.
 
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