9/11 Third Tower mystery "solved".

[Tefal]

But instead, the population in general paint anyone who even mentions this as a disrespectful nut job.
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Really?

This sounds perfectly rational to you does it?

well they hacked the media, norad and the ffa, you see the mossad built the it systems for ffa and norad. they obviously had back doors into the systems and inserted the fake planes, this on top of the training exercises that was going on that day. confused the **** out of everyone. even if they scrambled jets to intercept there would be no planes and plus they were not sure it was real or training.

the missiles ?

raytheon anyone ? government conspiracy pfft, you think the government could pull that **** off, the government could barely pick up my rubbish

most of the above is speculation and based on my own research, with little to no evidence to back it up.

the israeli doing the IT systems is fact though.

but we have evidence that proves that the media was manipulated and edited on the day, in the video and in the audio. this is provable.

 

[Angilion]

Complete trust in the government? No.

Belief that they didn't slaughter thousands of their own citizens, use secret technology that no-one else knows exists to demolish a building (*), faked all the available evidence, arranged for all the wtinesses to be secret agents and/or brainwashed and managed to keep this massive conspiracy concealed...yes.


* It is impossible for a controlled demolition to have been carried out using explosives in a building that was in use without anyone noticing, so some kind of disrupter beam technology would be required.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

they obviously had back doors into the systems and inserted the fake planes,

Oh yeah, like totally obviously they did that

 

[gambitt]

I laugh at anyone who is adamant that they know what happened. Where do you all get your information from? Internet forums and the media? Then you formulate your opinions based on this information and present it as hard facts.

Call me a fence sitter if you like but I don't pretend to know exactly what happened that day. I do think there is something that "they" are not telling us but isn't that always the case?

 

[Tefal]

I do think there is something that "they" are not telling us but isn't that always the case?

Of course there is.

Although it's most likley to cover up their failings on the day in so far as letting it happen rather than causing it.

 

[gambitt]

Perhaps. But that was my point. We can only speculate yet some people seem to think they know exactly what happened and belittle others for not agreeing with them.

 

[Amnesia]

2 things stand out to me...the 3rd tower collapsing which is now meant to be caused by fire ? even though i thought at one point they said it was a controlled demolition which would have made more sense.

the other is the plane hitting the pentagon...flying at such a high speed so low to the ground(took out street lights right?)damage of building and what was left of the plane.

im not saying i know what happened as i dont but im not convinced by the governments version.

 

[Fire Wizard]

Conspiracy Theorists tend to have a field day as most of them don't seem able to understand engineering, mathematics, physics, or architecture (given it's relatively simple to work out the rate at which the building fell if you know it's height, and the start/stop of it's fall as an example). Instead it's easier (and somehow more comforting) for them to think it's a huge well organised, highly secret government conspiracy involving thousands, than a combination of a fairly small number of fanatics, incompetence by various government agencies, and poor maintenance in a commercial building (a buildings owner being slow to make sure it's maintained to the original design specs for fire safety in hard to reach, expensive to maintain areas, never!)

Indeed. A group of terrorists along with people from the government, architectures, builders etc whom of which possibly hadn't done their job correctly, all of which formed the events of September the 11th of 2001. (Ninja edit)

People like Acidhell2 believe what the authorities way too much.

The only advantage you have is that the US government have fed this version to you, via the media, and you've happily lapped it up.

On the other side of the coin, it seems some people want to believe something happened other than what was reported by the authorities simply because it's the authorities version of what actually happened on that dreadful day.

When if you think about it is logically flawed anyway.

The reports and evidence from the official report seem a lot more logical and plausible to me than the alternate theories I have come across.

 

[johnyccc]

Thousands?

Ok, one thosand.

1032 architectural and engineering professionals have signed the petition demanding of Congress
a truly independent investigation.

source

What is left to be cleared up...?

According to you - nothing. Others disagree (far too many to be ignored imo)

Complete trust in the government? No.

Belief that they didn't slaughter thousands of their own citizens, use secret technology that no-one else knows exists to demolish a building (*), faked all the available evidence, arranged for all the wtinesses to be secret agents and/or brainwashed and managed to keep this massive conspiracy concealed...yes.


* It is impossible for a controlled demolition to have been carried out using explosives in a building that was in use without anyone noticing, so some kind of disrupter beam technology would be required.

Thats the thing though, it's not all or nothing. To suggest that the offical report is not 100% accurate is not the same as to believe your entire scenario is true.

 

[mmj_uk]

Even if presented with undeniable proof that the official story was bunk most people wouldn't openly admit to it in public anyway, it would hurt their ego/reputation too much to be seen going against the group concensus on a subject where dissenters are ridiculed.

I don't pretend to know with any certainty what happened or for what reason but I'm confident that the official story is a work of fiction and the incident was capitalized upon as a pretext to justify war in the middle east.

 

[Rroff]

Complete trust in the government? No.

Belief that they didn't slaughter thousands of their own citizens, use secret technology that no-one else knows exists to demolish a building (*), faked all the available evidence, arranged for all the wtinesses to be secret agents and/or brainwashed and managed to keep this massive conspiracy concealed...yes.


* It is impossible for a controlled demolition to have been carried out using explosives in a building that was in use without anyone noticing, so some kind of disrupter beam technology would be required.

If you look back in human history its by no means the first time it would have happened - have governments become more civillised or have they just become more sophisticated at covering it up? I think the truth is somewhere between the 2.

 

[EdGey]

I think i will add to this seeing as its a similar topic.

Pearl Harbor was actually attacked by the British in WW2. It was done to try and force America into the war, and it worked. Since the beginning of the war, the UK had conducted a huge project to build several aircraft carriers capable of the job. They designed them to look very similar to Japanese war ships, and painted Japanese colours on the planes. I have sufficient proof if you are so closed minded that you cant even see the blatant obvious, just ask.

 

[Angilion]

Is this a competition to see who can make up the wildest stuff?

 

[Werewolf]

Is this a competition to see who can make up the wildest stuff?

I think the CT's won that decades ago.

 

[Glaucus]

Or, crash an aeroplane in to an office/building and watch in amazement as the jet fuel seemingly bypasses usually highly flammable materials (wood, paper). And remember: fire/heat goes UP - how would the books, desks and other flammables get 'ignored' by the roaring fire beneath - and leave no smoke damage? I'm sure the laws of physics would have something to say about that!

Most of those photos are after the collapse. The plane only punched a relatively small hole. The building then collapsed. Which is why there is no damage to much of those items.

And just a friendly reminder: your version of events are no more credible than anyone else's here yet you seem think they are for some reason. The only advantage you have is that the US government have fed this version to you, via the media, and you've happily lapped it up. There's simply too much going against the events of that day to suggest that what the US say is the be all and end all of it. Ignorance is bliss though, right?

Like what. Come up with a different theory then. CTs have tried many times and failed due to lack of supporting evidence. Where the official story has such evidence and it fits the observations.

2 things stand out to me...the 3rd tower collapsing which is now meant to be caused by fire ? even though i thought at one point they said it was a controlled demolition which would have made more sense.

That was never the official storey

the other is the plane hitting the pentagon...flying at such a high speed so low to the ground(took out street lights right?)damage of building and what was left of the plane.

Street lamps did get taken out by the plane, there is also plane wreckage at the pentagon, visible in photos and guess what the engine parts match the engines on flight 77.

Ok, one thosand.
source
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And how many are in America 10's of thousands.
How many of them have actually looked at the wtc blueprints, just because they have not seen it happen before, does not mean it can't happen. It's the same argument people use that stars should be visible on the moon landing photots, or that teh foot prints of Neil Armstrong should not be so defined. Using previous experience to dis trust the events. When neither of these things have ever happened before, So you can not automatically use previous examples to make claims.

Why are archetiects included, they are not structural engineers, they are artists.

 

[Tonyator]

I think i will add to this seeing as its a similar topic.

Pearl Harbor was actually attacked by the British in WW2. It was done to try and force America into the war, and it worked. Since the beginning of the war, the UK had conducted a huge project to build several aircraft carriers capable of the job. They designed them to look very similar to Japanese war ships, and painted Japanese colours on the planes. I have sufficient proof if you are so closed minded that you cant even see the blatant obvious, just ask.

And Whales and Dolphins bombed Hiroshima.... Not the USA...

 

[andymanis]

AcidHell you sound like the kind of guy who a few years ago would have told us all there was definitely weapons of mass destruction (hate that phrase) in Iraq and that the 45 minute claim was all true because you had read the official line and supporting documents by experts which all read fine.

Although im sure you will now tell me you knew there were no WMD's all along and anyone that thought there was, is stupid.

Bottom line is man cheats, lies and manipulates in order to control, so to think governments dont do this in any small way is pretty naive imo.

 

[gambitt]

Street lamps did get taken out by the plane, there is also plane wreckage at the pentagon, visible in photos and guess what the engine parts match the engines on flight 77.

How can you be sure? Unless you went there yourself with a team of forensic scientists, you are basing this on a few photographs and what you saw in the media.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

According to you - nothing. Others disagree (far too many to be ignored imo)

I bet I can find more Scientologists than you can 9/11 "skeptics". Should we fund research into whether or not their claims are true, or do anything than treat them like a group of nutjobs?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Ok, one thosand (sic)

Exaggerating claims to support your argument