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Fermi delayed till May

They have managed to screw up most processes early on i think in fact it is an impressive track record of screwing up given it's their core business.
 
Rroff said:
With the right scalable engine architecture (something id have apparently nailed with rage/idtech5) you can create games in a way that automatically progressively builds the world for a target platform.
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that and good dev environment design can support multiple build targets for sure. good source control & build tools arnt the flashy end of things but on a large project are essential & enable that type of project
 
rhys216 said:
I think I see the problem. Your philosophy buck's the trend of how things work in the non-perfect world.

Instead of doing what you think is right, instead do what works...
Your slowly turning yourself into the type that get's 'picked on' which of course you don't like.

Probably non of us know what you look like, we can't see if your wearing the latest trainers etc. so if you feel picked on it's because of what your typing on your keyboard.
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Snip!

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May? Sweet jesus. By the time they hit the shelves everyone will be talking about ati's Q3 releases. Rroff I'm almost positive you weren't promoting a May release a month or two ago.
 
Naff8000 said:
May? Sweet jesus. By the time they hit the shelves everyone will be talking about ati's Q3 releases. Rroff I'm almost positive you weren't promoting a May release a month or two ago.
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14287926&postcount=3

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15682806&postcount=8

Check the dates - over a month ago :D

To be fair theres some confusion because I haven't at times differentiated between a hard release and a limited release for headline purposes and used them inter-changeable.
 
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Rroff said:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14287926&postcount=3

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15682806&postcount=8

Check the dates - over a month ago :D

To be fair theres some confusion because I haven't at times differentiated between a hard release and a limited release for headline purposes and used them inter-changeable.
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LOL nice dodge, Jen-Sun would be proud of you ;)

Now where's that cool pic of him in glasses when you need it. God I love his muscle definition :D
 
Greebo said:
Probably the fact you have posted abotu 20 times that Fermi isn;t late and will be launched in Q1 :p
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Launched yes... as far as anyone knows the "launch" should still be March/April. But availability looks unlikely to ramp up til may - which I've said on and off several times. I should probably have been more clear in differentiating which one I'm talking about. Will be interesting to see what nVidias monday announcement is tho...

This hasn't changed in months - neither has the fact that nVidia never intended the GF100 to go up against evergreen.
 
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JediFragger said:
Now where's that cool pic of him in glasses when you need it. God I love his muscle definition :D
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heres one i found ;)


5uh7r6.jpg
 
Rroff said:
Launched yes... as far as anyone knows the "launch" should still be March/April. But availability looks unlikely to ramp up til may - which I've said on and off several times. I should probably have been more clear in differentiating which one I'm talking about. Will be interesting to see what nVidias monday announcement is tho...

This hasn't changed in months - neither has the fact that nVidia never intended the GF100 to go up against evergreen.
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My word, it hasn't changed in months, hmm, you've been saying its not late, for months, as in not late at all. As in, for 2 months you've been saying it was always schedualed for a late Q1 release. Now you're just slipping in the current date hasn't changed in months, change, to me, signifies........ a CHANGE in release date. They had one date, missed it and announced another date, a LATER date.

But again you are convinced its not late and again you're trying to somehow come across as being one of the few to always know it was coming out in April/may, being that you only started saying that a month, maybe two ago, when everyone on the planet (bar the last few Nvidia fanboys) knew that.


As for TSMC, they've bumped up R&D, but not as much as it would seem, they announced a massive increase back in maybe late Q1/early Q2, however this was just after the market crash, when R&D had been cut back significantly to help ride out the lack of sales. So its hard to quantify exactly how much its "increased" as opposed to simply returned to normal. Normal spending clearly hasn't been enough in the past several years as they've always been WAY behind on process tech, even at the same node as others they tend to use the cheap and easy options. Which is what they are doing for 28nm aswell. Even if they did significantly increase R&D spending, the problem is the lag in seeing a difference, process nodes are researched often for 3-5 years in advance, the poor choices they've made for 28nm certainly indicate a "cheap" research method for it, increased spending is unlikely to show any real quality difference before the next node, maybe even the one after.

Increased spending on equipment though, is another thing they rather held back on turning 40nm into a huge production process, its likely 28nm will be ramped up FAR beyond 40nm's current production capacity. Once AMD/Nvidia are done with 40nm at TSMC I see them basically sending it out to pasture instead of moving other customers to it, because with awful yields, things like arm chips or chipsets will be horribly effected by the leakage, power problems and yields.

Of course, if TSMC went for a similar level of production capacity, at 9k wafers a month, but AMD move all production to GloFo, that leaves a LOT of extra capacity Nvidia can use...... IF there is the demand for the chips which is going to be a close call.
 
ANyway, the latest news is BAD, the 480gtx being between 600-625mhz and 1200mhz shaders, instead of the planned 750/1500mhz, its going to be 25% slower instantly that it should be. The 470gtx similar but 448 shaders(no idea if there will be any availability of the 512 shader one), both huge power hogs, apparently running 70C IDLE with 2d clocks, with 70% fan speed. Which isn't an issue of course(fan speed wise) if the fan is quite at 70% speed, if it was an AMD fan that would drive us all insane.

Likewise in GAMES the 480gtx is said to be marginally faster, 5% only, bar a few sythetic benchmarks. It also seems set that Nvidia will do a similar release to a few previous ones, with a VERY strict benchmarking rule book, ie certain games at specific settings, and only sites that are willing to follow precisely will get cards. Anand and Kyle got left out of previous launches for not following the rules and showing cards to not be as good as Nvidia said they were.

Considering the supposed heat, and power output of a card that can barely outperform a 5870, overclocking the thing you'd imagine, would be almost non existant, meaning a 5870 overclocked, will whip it quite easily. Meaning a 5890 type card looks set to easily retain fastest single core for AMD, all the while making a load of profit on every card sold, while Nvidia takes a loss selling a more expensive card thats slower. Ouch.
 
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