How can Xbox360's still be so powerful?

[wannabedamned]

But hey, I don't want to start a flamewar or anything. So ciao!

Flamewar? over what? All I'm pointing out is

Prize money, tournaments and competition over a bunch of 12 year olds who just got their first games consoles for christmas.

proves that

I know my stuff.

Isnt true, and I refer you back to

You need to do some research also. As there are MANY Xbox 360 tournaments

 

[Yannic]

is an xbox 720 going to be released?

 

[cmndr_andi]

is an xbox 720 going to be released?

My guess, 2015-2016. Same with PS4.

Sony and Microsoft has spent so much money developing these machines and selling them at a loss to consumers that they want want as long as possible before the next generation to make some money by selling games (which they receive licensing money for), official peripherals/add-ons and premium online services.

With the success of the Wii they have likely realised that you don't need the best visuals/computing hardware to capture the imagination of the mass market. Hence why we will be seeing motion-contol coming to both consoles relatively soon.

 

[Legend]

Bigger picture is not what I was talking about, I was talking about the strength of each community relative to 1) community 2) competition 3) tournaments and prize money.

Err, so what are you talking about? The little picture? In which case you're acknowledging the fact that it's a minority!!

There may be 10 million console owners, but I still think there_are_more dedicated, hardcore gamers on PC than there are on console, even in the UK.

Think again. Such a figure is totally unrealistic!! Seriously, do the math. If games like Fifa 10 (and it's not the only example) have 90% of the market share across all platforms, how on earth can a niche hardcore element dwarf that?? PC gamers are in the minority vs console gamers. Every single statistic out there proves that, so unless you can provide something that clearly states otherwise (which you can't, because it's not true), please stop talking nonsense and making a fool of yourself in the process, as you clearly are incredibly misinformed and have some kind of superiority complex.

 

[EsaT]

Think again. Such a figure is totally unrealistic!! Seriously, do the math. If games like Fifa 10 (and it's not the only example) have 90% of the market share across all platforms, how on earth can a niche hardcore element dwarf that?

So how much of that casual playing 90% is playing with enough dedication?
You've been all along telling (correctly) how consoles are so great for casual gaming and how much they have casual gamers but where are proofs for that big multiplaying/social activity?
With their much greater total number even lot smaller percentage of active gamers should be enough but where are console equivalents for PC LAN parties/game events?
After all it's that kind activity which requires/shows real dedication.

I wonder how soon consoles will just be pre-selected regular PC components sold for a fixed price. All the benefits with none of the drawbacks, and as an added advantage you could plug in a regular mouse and keyboard and use it to run a PC-oriented OS. It's like selling a pre-made PC except on an extremely large scale.

There are definitely very high chances for new major consoles being based on PC hardware because developing hardware simply costs lot. Also remember how Apple discarded PowerPC architecture (that in X360) in favour of Intel because IBM wasn't interested enough in aiming to power efficiency and less consuming models. And PS3's Cell... that was one reason for why PS3 was delayed and Sony still took such bad losses.
But they definitely can't make it just pre-assembled PC because that would make it extremely hard to keep it even half way closed platform.
So probably CPU and GPU (or might be one chip with integrated GPU) will be very similar to those in PCs but "motherboard" and everything else will be very different.

Either way, I don't get why people care about simplicity.

"Most of one's life is one prolonged effort to prevent oneself thinking." -Aldous Huxley
"Many people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." -Bertrand Russell

 

[shanezog]

No offense brother but the pnline comunitys on PC are far greater in terms of organisation, skill and maturity.

 

[Legend]

So how much of that casual playing 90% is playing with enough dedication?
You've been all along telling (correctly) how consoles are so great for casual gaming and how much they have casual gamers but where are proofs for that big multiplaying/social activity?
With their much greater total number even lot smaller percentage of active gamers should be enough but where are console equivalents for PC LAN parties/game events?
After all it's that kind activity which requires/shows real dedication.

I have not been saying consoles are great JUST for casual use. They are used for that, but they also have a MASSIVE online community. There are 23 million Xbox Live subscribers. Similar number of PS3 online users. Even ignoring those figures, why would anyone think otherwise!? With the exception of some MMORPGs (WOW being the most successful), hardly any PC game won't have a console counterpart with a hugely popular online element. Call of Duty being a very good recent example, with the PC version being criticised thanks to its lack of support for dedicated servers - it therefore has not seen as much online success as its console counterpart.

PC Lan parties are not attended by millions of people every year in the UK. Please, get real! It's big, sure, but not in the millions! More people will be gathering round consoles in social situations that those attending LAN parties! To suggest otherwise is just nuts.

No offense brother but the pnline comunitys on PC are far greater in terms of organisation, skill and maturity.

Are you TRYING to be ironic by demonstrating your inability to spell?

 

[wannabedamned]

okay, For the narrowminded PC gamers who are doing zero research on Console gaming

here you go a simple google search with very obvious key words

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sour...oq=360+online+tournaments&fp=29e8dc7ea7568563

The top 3, Are extremely popular, With gamebattles being the main platform used for gaming tournaments

As for the comments about there being no PC equivalent LAN parties using consoles. You need to venture into consoles on this very forum more often. There have been a few attended by members on this very forum, So it is happening. You guys are just posting console LANs dont happen because you dont know they do. Hense...Lack of actual knowledge about the subject at hand.

I hate it when people post "facts" when they only know 1 side of a situation. Its a silly thing to do.

 

[Kurisu Makise]

is an xbox 720 going to be released?

Is it really going to be a called 720?
..Oh dear

 

[wannabedamned]

Is it really going to be a called 720?
..Oh dear

It's very doubtful as its hideous, I'm only speculating but i would guess both Xbox and Playstation may be dropped as a name in the next gen.

 

[overclick]

I have used both PCs/home computers and consoles all my life. Forgetting anything else I have allways prefered to play FPS and strategy games with a mouse. It just works better. FPS games are playable imo on consoles but i much prefer keyboard and mouse. I have never got on with any strategy game on a console it just doesn't work. Too me those game types have allways been better on a PC. Now I like world of warcraft too, i can not see MMOs ever working on a console.

Consoles have there benefits, games allways work and fairly well. Until recently I would never have bought a racing game or any arcade style game on the PC, these games i much prefer on consoles just because i know i would not have any fps issues. It is different now because i have a high spec PC which i can throw anything at without any issues. But this luxury has cost me £800 not £150 for an xbox.

 

[DisrupTor75]

For my 2 cents i have been messing around with pc's since the days of the 286 and it's been a great learning experience which i would have missed out on if i had gone down the console route but my main reason for this post is that i haven't seen anyone mention the modding aspect for pc's (aside from the texture packs for oblivion) which is something i have never heard of for console games. This is one area which breathes new life into old and new games by the community as there is a staggering amount of talent out there that is under appreciated, they are the ones that correct the flaws that developers skim over in their rush to get the game's out, they improve the visuals / audio. They make new maps, new models be it for characters, vehicles, weapons, you name it

I only bring this up because while im not exactly in a position to say much about consoles (i have the old lead-brick xbox) it's very clear that a lot of things are dumbed down for consoles (aim assist for many fps games for example) and for that reason (and the hefty price of their games) ill be sticking with my trusty pc

 

[Legend]

For my 2 cents i have been messing around with pc's since the days of the 286 and it's been a great learning experience which i would have missed out on if i had gone down the console route but my main reason for this post is that i haven't seen anyone mention the modding aspect for pc's (aside from the texture packs for oblivion) which is something i have never heard of for console games. This is one area which breathes new life into old and new games by the community as there is a staggering amount of talent out there that is under appreciated, they are the ones that correct the flaws that developers skim over in their rush to get the game's out, they improve the visuals / audio. They make new maps, new models be it for characters, vehicles, weapons, you name it

I only bring this up because while im not exactly in a position to say much about consoles (i have the old lead-brick xbox) it's very clear that a lot of things are dumbed down for consoles (aim assist for many fps games for example) and for that reason (and the hefty price of their games) ill be sticking with my trusty pc

The modding side of things is even more of a niche thing. Of course, it's a positive aspect to the whole PC gaming scene, but it is what it is, nothing more. And besides, sales figures for PC games speak for themselves. Plus whoever said PCs and consoles were mutually exclusive?

Auto-aiming exists on many PC FPS games too! It will be an option in the control settings. Console games are hardly "dumbed down" in that respect. A mouse provides a much easier method of playing an FPS than a joypad, so auto-aiming will often be the preference for the uninitiated console gamer... but it can invariably be turned off, and the more experienced players prefer not to use it.

As for game cost, this is more than offset by the low cost of the console in the first place, vs the £1000+ a PC enthusiast will spend on a quality PC setup.

 

[mame]

I own both and the game cost issue that always gets thrown in is very flawed. PC owners have this illusion that a console game costs £40. If you are paying £40 for a game then it's a game that's been out less than a month and from the highstreet (or buying MW2) There are a huge amount of games from the past 6 months that can be bought for £15-20. The other point is that console games are a 100% sellable item. You can buy a game for £15-20 and sell it for the same cost. Something you can rarely do with a PC game because of activation etc. There are also loads of older PS3 games that can be had for less then a tenner. Again, these can be sold for the purchase price one you have finished it. The idea that eveytime a console gamer wants a new game they have to pay out £40 is a myth. Even Assassins Creed 2 can be had for less on the PS3 than the upcoming PC version. In console terms it's not a new game anymore because of the high release rate of games.

 

[Legend]

I own both and the game cost issue that always gets thrown in is very flawed. PC owners have this illusion that a console game costs £40. If you are paying £40 for a game then it's a game that's been out less than a month and from the highstreet (or buying MW2) There are a huge amount of games from the past 6 months that can be bought for £15-20. The other point is that console games are a 100% sellable item. You can buy a game for £15-20 and sell it for the same cost. Something you can rarely do with a PC game because of activation etc. There are also loads of older PS3 games that can be had for less then a tenner. Again, these can be sold for the purchase price one you have sold it. The idea that eveytime a console gamer wants a new game they have to pay out £40 is a myth. Even Assassins Creed 2 can be had for less on the PS3 than the upcoming PC version. In console terms it's not a new game anymore because of the high release rate of games.

Very valid point. And the piracy of PC games also makes reselling virtually pointless to be honest. I believe there are some piracy issues with the Xbox 360, but these pale in significance to the lost revenue on PC's, where it is far more of an issue. PS3 games, as yet, cannot be pirated.

I'm finding it so funny that people are even trying to argue against consoles without even attempting to do any research into the matter. They dominate in every conceivable way, and the only argument is a technical one, which hands down a top end PC is going to come up trumps. But so what?!

 

[Lleot]

Console
-Low initial purchase price
-Very Expensive Upgrade Price
-Poor graphical ability
-Low Multitasking
-Low Multimedia ability
-More Professional Games
-Poor Expandability
-Pretty much only for games
-Poor Digital Delivery
-More Expensive Games
-Good Resale market

PC
-More Expensive Initial Price
-Cheaper Upgrade Price
-Better Graphics
-Perfect Multimedia
-Great Multitasking
-Great expandability
-More Indie Games
-Can do work On
-Cheaper Games
-No need for disks (Steam/Impulse/etc,)
-Almost no resale market

IMO PC wins, but Consoles have more universal appeal so I'm not surprised they sell more.

 

[wannabedamned]

Console
-Low initial purchase price
-Very Expensive Upgrade Price - How so? I'm unaware of the need in upgrading a 360 or PS3? Unless you're talking about buying a new console... Inwhich case, thats not an upgrade. its a new purchase, and can be filed under "Low initial purchase price"
-Poor graphical ability
-Low Multitasking
-Low Multimedia ability
-More Professional Games
-Poor Expandability
-Pretty much only for games - Not the case atall, Consoles are now media extenders, and some PS3s have linux capabilities that allow desktop activies, and an internet browser
-Poor Digital Delivery - again, Extremely untrue considering what Xbox live marketplace and PSN offer
-More Expensive Games - on release
-Good Resale market

PC
-More Expensive Initial Price
-Cheaper Upgrade Price
-Better Graphics
-Perfect Multimedia
-Great Multitasking
-Great expandability
-More Indie Games
-Can do work On
-Cheaper Games
-No need for disks (Steam/Impulse/etc,)
-Almost no resale market

IMO PC wins, but Consoles have more universal appeal so I'm not surprised they sell more.

Couldnt debate your PC points, they are on the ball. But your Console points were wrong in parts.

 

[mame]

Console
-Very Expensive Upgrade Price


PC

-Cheaper Upgrade Price

Oh come on. how can you say a console has a very expensive upgrade path? You could have bought A PS1, PS2 and PS3 on release for, i don't know, £800-900 ? With the PS4 still a long way off that's pretty cheap for 20 YEARS OF GAMING HARDWARE.

 

[Legend]

Console
-Low initial purchase price - No doubt
-Very Expensive Upgrade Price - Rubbish, when a console lasts you 4-5 years minimum! Even a brand new console on launch day is going to set you back less than a new PC. You spread that cost over it's lifespan, and it's not even close!
-Poor graphical ability - On what are you basing this? Have you seen Uncharted 2? Gran Turismo? God of War 3? Again, rubbish.
-Low Multitasking - They play games. That's what they're designed to do. But the PS3 is also an excellent BluRay player.
-Low Multimedia ability - PS3 plays almost anything you throw at it, and can link wirelessly with PC or simply attach portable hard drive.
-More Professional Games - More games period!
-Poor Expandability - Why would you need to expand it? Even you did, this wouldn't appeal to the consumer. If people want expandable hardware, and are able to afford it, they get into PC's.
-Pretty much only for games - Not quite true, given multimedia capabilities of the PS3, but as mentioned games are what they are designed for. There is no illusion about this, and no-one buys an Xbox 360 only to be frustrated to realise that it doesn't run Microsoft Word.
-Poor Digital Delivery - Not sure what you mean by this exactly, but it sounds like nonsense given the digital capabilities of the PS3 alone to play music, show photos, play videos etc.
-More Expensive Games - As mentioned in previous posts, this is a myth.
-Good Resale market - Exactly, which PC's do not have to the same extent, and when you compare this to the low initial outlay in the first place, it makes them FAR cheaper in the long term. PS2 was released 10 years ago. You can still sell one on a certain auction site. Try doing that with a 10 year old PC!

PC
-More Expensive Initial Price - No doubt
-Cheaper Upgrade Price - Uh? If you're upgrading a few cables perhaps, but any significant upgrade, especially one that gives a significant performance boost, is going to cost hundreds of pounds.
-Better Graphics - Better resolution, and in some cases better textures, frame rates etc. Almost always on smaller screens though. This has all been mentioned before. Console owners are hardly suffering with stone-age graphics, some console games look amazing, many of which aren't even available on PC anyway!!
-Perfect Multimedia - It's what they're designed for, but hardly 'perfect'. The PS3 does a damn good job on the multimedia side.
-Great Multitasking - Again, exactly what they're designed for and why you buy one. No one who buys a console expects otherwise.
-Great expandability - If you can afford it, and all part of the appeal if you're a PC enthusiast. As mentioned previously, no one said PCs and consoles were mutually exclusive.
-More Indie Games - Such as? Very niche market, limited appeal, and there are plenty of cheap independent games available on Xbox Live and PS3 online.
-Can do work On - Exactly what they're designed for.
-Cheaper Games - Again, a myth
-No need for disks (Steam/Impulse/etc,) - An advantage sure, but not without its problems. Consoles may certainly go this route in the future.
-Almost no resale market - No doubt

IMO PC wins, but Consoles have more universal appeal so I'm not surprised they sell more. - There is no winner. I have never said that consoles WIN. They appeal for different reasons. Consoles undoubtedly have the market share, have more players and a wider social community. This is not up for debate, it's a fact. The merits of the PC speak for themselves, they are great at multitasking and undoubtedly have the technical hardware edge over consoles. I say again, they are not mutually exclusive!

 

[Lleot]

-Expensive Upgrade price because a PS3 at launch costed £425. The Xbox 360 at about £300. That Is VERY steep whereas you can buy a new GPU for £100 and won't have to buy all new games (Xbox 360). Upgrading a Hard Drive for 360 is extremely expensive and PS3 only accepts slower, more expensive, notebook hard drives.

As everything is relative poor graphical ability refers to the graphics compared to what is possible. MW2 runs at LESS THAN 720p, and looks like crap compared to my PC.

Media Extending needs you to already have a PC so that doesn't count. The PS3/Xbox 360 has a poor playback ability. Try Playing an MKV with multiple Audio tracks and ASS Subtitles.

None of the new PS3's have linux, and the linux restricted access to the GPU so it was ****ty anyway.

Poor Digital delivery because if I want to buy Battlefield Bad Company 2 I can't just download it.

Cheaper games is not a myth. I can buy a Brand new game that just came out 1 month ago (Mass Effect 2) for £22. I'm gonna buy BBC2 for ~£25 and I bought MW2 for £23.

You all seem to be under this impression that PC game prices don't fall. Infact I'd say they fall faster than Console games.

Note: I have a Wii, PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. I just think the PC is better, but I play the consoles when I want to play with friends cus I'm the only one who can be bothered to get a GPU.