Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In Under 25-Hours

Dolph said:
You appear to be completely missing the point here. Have you acquired the product of my work without my consent? Whether or not I still have access to it is not the issue in question. Did you have my consent to have use of it?

The expansion of that is 'did you have my consent to give it to other people'.

If you take my car without my permission when I'm at work, and return it fully fueled before I finish work, have you done anything wrong?
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This is the point of my earlier post. On a technical basis the crimes are equally punishable, but in this example people wouldn't look so harshly on the guy who stole a car, filled it up and returned it without the owner ever missing it. Laws, after all, are designed to protect the innocent. Should that protection be metered out according to the typecast of the crime, or in response to the harm that crime caused? The variation in sentencing for the same crime in different situations gives testament to the fact that punishment is (supposedly) applicable to the harm, or risk, caused by the criminal act. While it's true that no crime is wholly without a victim, any legislation would have to be subject to those same standards of judgement, and harsher punishments for piracy would really only serve as a yardstick with which to debase the lenient punishments levied against much more violent or dangerous crimes.
 
Deadbeat said:
This is the point of my earlier post. On a technical basis the crimes are equally punishable, but in this example people wouldn't look so harshly on the guy who stole a car, filled it up and returned it without the owner ever missing it. Laws, after all, are designed to protect the innocent. Should that protection be metered out according to the typecast of the crime, or in response to the harm that crime caused? The variation in sentencing for the same crime in different situations gives testament to the fact that punishment is (supposedly) applicable to the harm, or risk, caused by the criminal act. While it's true that no crime is wholly without a victim, any legislation would have to be subject to those same standards of judgement, and harsher punishments for piracy would really only serve as a yardstick with which to debase the lenient punishments levied against much more violent or dangerous crimes.
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Hence why I suggested putting them in line with other offences of taking property without consent, and handling stolen property. It provides good consistency.

Of course, there is also an argument to be made that the reason public perception is the way it is can be attributed to the failure to keep property laws consistent in the past...
 
Dolph said:
You appear to be completely missing the point here. Have you acquired the product of my work without my consent? Whether or not I still have access to it is not the issue in question. Did you have my consent to have use of it?

The expansion of that is 'did you have my consent to give it to other people'.

If you take my car without my permission when I'm at work, and return it fully fueled before I finish work, have you done anything wrong?
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i'm not missing the point...you are trying to treat both incidents as the same where clearly they are not....that is why i gave you an example.


i did not say a person would download it and pass it on, you are adding that part in.
everytime you download a game or song does it mean you are also distributing ? (usenet..rapidshare).
that's like saying a person who takes drugs is also a dealer/distributor which isn't the case.


as for the car example....again its not the same thing as the person would be taking it without consent
also be driving without insurance
also depriving you of your vehicle should you need it incase of an emergency
and whats to say that the use of a vehicle isnt part of someones job so it would be stopping the person from working.
not to mention the wear and tear on the vehicle and damage caused by entering it.
 
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Amnesia said:
i'm not missing the point...you are trying to treat both incidents as the same where clearly they are not....that is why i gave you an example.


i did not say a person would download it and pass it on, you are adding that part in.
everytime you download a game or song does it mean you are also distributing ? (usenet..rapidshare).
that's like saying a person who takes drugs is also a dealer/distributor which isn't the case.
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Hence why I went with theft and handling stolen goods as comparisons for downloading and distributing. Different crimes, different punishments.

as for the car example....again its not the same thing as the person would be taking it without consent
also be driving without insurance
also depriving you of your vehicle should you need it incase of an emergency
and whats to say that the use of a vehicle isnt part of someones job so it would be stopping the person from working.
not to mention the wear and tear on the vehicle and damage caused by entering it.
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I do love the mental gymnastics people use to try and seperating different types of taking someone's property without their permission...
 
Hxc said:
The only DRM that lasted any time at all was Starforce, and there was enough uproar about that :P
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Ugh, being on XP X64 back in the day, this caused me no end of troubles.. Plenty of games just didn't work. Downloading a crack was usually the way to sort it out. :)
Of course, this still makes me a filthy pirate. Never mind that I would still purchase the game, the fact I had to waste plenty of time to get it working meant I was evil scum. :(

Anyway, DRM, we all love it. It's totally awesome for the paying customer...

Britboy, when do I receive my biscuit?
 
Deadbeat said:
Bulger killers? Remember, they were kids themselves at the time. Not to say I'm excusing what they did, but I doubt after 8 years in prison they were led out into a bright sunny morning, given new passports and wished good luck. Both would have been heavily monitored, with psychiatric evaluations almost as regular as parole check-ups. One of them's back in prison now, I believe.

/off topic.
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Yeh but what I was suggesting is that 7 years is to much for pirating Spore, when compared to 8 years given to two of this countries most evil people.
 
DRM doesn't work, annoys people, gets cracked, wastes money that could be used to make the game better, makes the game cost more (development time). Online DRM such as this kills the second hand market (Which I suspect is the actual intention of Ubisoft) and means you never actually own the game, merely rent it. If the servers are taken offline, or Ubi go out of business, your game is broken and in order to get it to work you have to pirate it.

In other words, if you want to keep playing your game, you will eventually be a dirty pirate.

*dons eyepatch*
 
Oxy said:
Yeh but what I was suggesting is that 7 years is to much for pirating Spore, when compared to 8 years given to two of this countries most evil people.
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Agreed, but it ties in with my post about punishment comparative to the crime:

Deadbeat said:
This is the point of my earlier post. On a technical basis the crimes are equally punishable, but in this example people wouldn't look so harshly on the guy who stole a car, filled it up and returned it without the owner ever missing it. Laws, after all, are designed to protect the innocent. Should that protection be metered out according to the typecast of the crime, or in response to the harm that crime caused? The variation in sentencing for the same crime in different situations gives testament to the fact that punishment is (supposedly) applicable to the harm, or risk, caused by the criminal act. While it's true that no crime is wholly without a victim, any legislation would have to be subject to those same standards of judgement, and harsher punishments for piracy would really only serve as a yardstick with which to debase the lenient punishments levied against much more violent or dangerous crimes.
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I didn't really pick up on that at the time, but the comparison isn't really valid. You're talking about the maximum sentence for one minor crime in the most extreme circumstances when compared to a major crime under mitigating circumstances (in this example, the perpetrators' ages which, as I mentioned, does not excuse their actions, but should be taken in to account). The average conviction (sentenced, not served, which is lower) for statutory rape is 4 years (source), whereas the maximum sentence for possession with intent to supply of class B drugs is 14 years (source), and picking up 1/4 ounce for you and your mate to each get 1/8th falls under this category. By your own comparison the legal ramifications of each act are ridiculous (which they are) when placed side by side, but it's statistically discriminatory to compare two crime figures under such wildly different circumstances.

Forgive me any typos, I'm mildly drunk.
 
Phinor said:
24 hours.. sadly it simply means they will use more money to develop this DRM into something nastier. Plus hey, at least it still gets rid of those second hand copies that are apprently completely killing the business of selling 6 hour games.
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Yes they'll try and make it harder and harder to crack until the point comes where they have to give up and stop bother trying. Why they can't get it into their thick skulls that there are people out there even better with the code than their own employees is beyond me, even microsoft have stopped trying very hard.

It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the workarounds come from other companies too, especially those that don't use DRM. Afterall, it makes good business sense to make the competitors games available freely.

Edit - i had only read the first page of the thread before posting. Why am i not surprised that the rest of it has turned into the usual OcUK debate about the legality of pirating software, movies etc? Are all the million and one previous threads just rehearsals for this one? They all contain the same tired old words and often by many of the same people, surely you all must be bored by now parroting on and on time after time.
 
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I haven't bought a game with DRM, ever - I just don't want the hassle and I don't trust them.

I haven't pirated them, either, I just skip them entirely. Why the hell don't they all just use steam? Buy it, download it very fast (9mb/s at uni!), then play it. Easy.

The simple fact is that anything that can be run by the computer can be decompiled by the computer. It might be difficult, but it can always be done. Once it's decompiled, it's just a case of changing it to remove the DRM and recompile it.

The sooner companies realise that they can't do it, the better... they're just wasting their own money, pushing their prices up (and reducing sales through it!) and killing their own profits.

The people who are going to pirate it, are going to whatever they do. We all know this, why on earth can't they catch on?

Oh, and I highly doubt companies are in the business of cracking their competitor's software.
 
It was just speculation really, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Movie companies have been underhanded plenty of times working with certain scene groups, it's not so unlikely that it could happen with software.
 
Audigex said:
I haven't bought a game with DRM, ever - I just don't want the hassle and I don't trust them.

I haven't pirated them, either, I just skip them entirely. Why the hell don't they all just use steam? Buy it, download it very fast (9mb/s at uni!), then play it. Easy.

The simple fact is that anything that can be run by the computer can be decompiled by the computer. It might be difficult, but it can always be done. Once it's decompiled, it's just a case of changing it to remove the DRM and recompile it.

The sooner companies realise that they can't do it, the better... they're just wasting their own money, pushing their prices up (and reducing sales through it!) and killing their own profits.

The people who are going to pirate it, are going to whatever they do. We all know this, why on earth can't they catch on?

Oh, and I highly doubt companies are in the business of cracking their competitor's software.
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Sadly many steam games also come with various forms of DRM.
 
I can't believe some of you are actually happy they have been cracked it will come to a point where companies will give up on making pc games cause w*****s don't wanna pay for them and will just crack download them. You really can't win you moan about prices being high well what do you all expect if the company is losing out on 10's of thousands of sales it's gonna jack up prices to recoup the money it loses from pirated sales/downloads

TBH sick of you all moaning there is not enough games coming out for the pc.

IF YOU WANT MORE PC GAMES THEN STOP DOWNLOADING THEN CRACKING THEM YOU CHEAPSKATES

(This rant only applies to certain people in this thread)
 
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