20th Century fox vs Newzbin

Seems like a complete waste of time to go down this path. I only hated downloading headers when on a 2mb connection. With connections to the interwebs getting faster the last resort of downloading headers is no big hassle.

First rule of Usenet: Don't talk about Usenet!
 
I love this term, since it actually doesn't mean anything :P

"Affil Sites" as they are actually known are a lot of hard work to keep an account on, unless you are lucky enough to have access to a ratio:[unlimited] account or know a site owner.

0sec meant the site was a top priority for couriers to race releases on after its pred on the affil site. So it got stuff in a matter of seconds, or at least it used to mean that. Then you had your 0hour and your crap 0day sites lower down on slower links. Nowadays I think its mostly automated and they are all on fast links to they are all basically 0sec. Doesn't mean much now but it used to.

Some of those private torrents sites could be considered 0sec, and I'm sure they have seedboxes about 1 or 2 steps away from ftp pre sites. In fact one of those torrents sites was actually running an ftp with some crap affils on it. They were using the torrents to pay for the ftp, and using the ftp to supply the torrents.
 
This has, without doubt already been mentioned but Newzbin is an aggregator. Most people that use usenet do not generally require an aggregator. TBF I use them, they tend to be hassle free most of the time, but you do not need them. Also, I can't see anyone shutting down newsgroups. All that will happen is they *might* flood the aggregator with fake files. Again, they are handy, but you don't *need* them.
 

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This is what irks me so much, the fact that the info isn't read, it simply frustrates everyone. Ask a child anywhere that might buy a dvd what the FBI thing is before a film and they'll know, already, so why constantly repeat it over and over. We get it already.

Thing is I don't often watch dvd's these days, even things I own, I find it easier to DL a copy because then I have less things to deal with, like noise, the logo's/intro crap and its FAR easier to skip bits, or go back a few seconds if you weren't paying attention, considering it would take me a couple mins to find the dvd I wanted, put it in, access it and another 2-3 mins actually getting to the film, I can quite easily download the first cd of a 2cd film, and start watching in the same amount of time, with less actual effort.

When I do watch a DVD though, some tv shows don't have all the gunk on, a lot do, a lot if not all films do. At which point I go and download a trial of something like region free that lets you skip all the irritating crap. But then you're forced to pay to use it long term.

That I also wouldn't mind, but I have no such option on my dvd player downstairs, same situation when I use my brothers PS3 for blurays or dvd's on our biggest screen and thats where it gets me the most.

Tried watching the bluray set of Band of Brothers after XMAS and it was a good 3-4 minutes before I could get the first episode, had to go out half way through, came back and another 3-4 mins to get to the episode, and another minute flicking back and forth trying to find where I was. The whole experience is becoming a complete joke.
 
This is what irks me so much, the fact that the info isn't read, it simply frustrates everyone. Ask a child anywhere that might buy a dvd what the FBI thing is before a film and they'll know, already, so why constantly repeat it over and over. We get it already.

Thing is I don't often watch dvd's these days, even things I own, I find it easier to DL a copy because then I have less things to deal with, like noise, the logo's/intro crap and its FAR easier to skip bits, or go back a few seconds if you weren't paying attention, considering it would take me a couple mins to find the dvd I wanted, put it in, access it and another 2-3 mins actually getting to the film, I can quite easily download the first cd of a 2cd film, and start watching in the same amount of time, with less actual effort.

When I do watch a DVD though, some tv shows don't have all the gunk on, a lot do, a lot if not all films do. At which point I go and download a trial of something like region free that lets you skip all the irritating crap. But then you're forced to pay to use it long term.

That I also wouldn't mind, but I have no such option on my dvd player downstairs, same situation when I use my brothers PS3 for blurays or dvd's on our biggest screen and thats where it gets me the most.

Tried watching the bluray set of Band of Brothers after XMAS and it was a good 3-4 minutes before I could get the first episode, had to go out half way through, came back and another 3-4 mins to get to the episode, and another minute flicking back and forth trying to find where I was. The whole experience is becoming a complete joke.

I am in total agreement, also the x264 downloads are supported a whole lot better than Blueray discs on the PC, you can even use certain software/filters/etc so that the graphics card you just paid £300 for takes the load
 
Newzbin should hopefully win this easy and hopefully fox will take note.

TBH I don't know the ins and outs of the Pirate Bay case, but you are still able to download torrents that are linked to copyright material. The Music and Movie industry have re-think. I can't believe that they have not realised this. They are Dinosuars trying to cling to business model that no longer exists.
 
TBH I don't know the ins and outs of the Pirate Bay case, but you are still able to download torrents that are linked to copyright material. The Music and Movie industry have re-think. I can't believe that they have not realised this. They are Dinosuars trying to cling to business model that no longer exists.

Lets be honest here. If you ran a business that did nothing for the artist, except take their money and other peoples money, while sitting down, wouldn't you be fighting tooth and nail to protect it?
 
Lets be honest here. If you ran a business that did nothing for the artist, except take their money and other peoples money, while sitting down, wouldn't you be fighting tooth and nail to protect it?

I'm just stating a fact... With all the media that that case earnt, you can still go to that website and download questionable torrents that lead to questionable files. Nothing will ever change that, even if Mr Mandelson gets his way. I'm just saying, make things easier for the consumer. Steam(valve) is working where EA is failing. They seem to have worked out a niche.
 
Playing Devils Advocate for a moment, if I supplied to you exact instructions on how to make a bomb (let's say for the sake of argument that it was a specialist sort of bomb that needed precise instructions) and you blew something up with it wouldn't I be at least partially responsible?

Although I'm not whiter-than-white I think it's kinda disingenuous to just stick your hands up and say "we're not providing the files, we're just providing exact instructions on where to get them without which it wouldn't be possible (at least on this site)".

*shrug*

When you present it that way it does seem bad but when you compare it with the lighter 'selling black dvd's that could be used to do bad things' it doesn't seem as bad, frame of reference and all that.

I don't think fox can win this one.
 
Trial finished

The trial restarted on the Tuesday the 2nd March and finished yesterday the third. It's always difficult trying to guess what a judge is thinking as his questions and comments, where probing of either parties submissions, may be no more than professionally required scepticism. Nonetheless, here is our guess.

Our hunch is that they will fail on some of their assertions but will probably win on others. They may not be able to prove damage or loss from copying, but they may convince the court we have facilitated others in obtaining their works.

If they win then, as we said in a previous news story, Newzbin will not be shut down. In all probability there will be 'enquiry as to damages' (the legal expression) and a new mini-trial over the terms of an injunction compelling us to block material of the Claimants. For example we may be required to develop filter mechanisms. At the moment we remain unfiltered and we would fight for the current notice and take down system that we already use. Again this is just our best guess and we may be well wide of the mark.

The second point is user privacy. One thing the Claimants did complain about was that Newzbin "deliberately arranged it's systems so that no user details were available: even if we got an Anton Pillar there would be nothing to seize as no logs were kept". They were correct on that. No user needs worry about their privacy being violated by logs. Equally, since the site has lawful non-infringing use (our hunch is that the judge accepted our arguments on this: he seemed receptive to our submission that GPL, Creative Commons & non-copyright works were on the Indexes) a mere membership of Newzbin proves nothing against any user: the Claimants didn't contend this anyway.

We do't know when judgement will be handed down but our guess is very shortly before or after Easter. We will let you know.

law @ 04-03-2010 08:46 GMT

I expect them to lose, based on absolutely no legal knowledge whatsoever. ;)
 
They need to stop battling piracy and just release an easier, decently priced alternative.

Steam has singlehandedly triumphed in the pc market for the gaming side of it.


Now we need something like steam for movies (high def and standard), tv shows (high def and standard) and music (lossless and selection of lossy)

25p per song
1 quid per episode (deals for full series)
2.50 per film

Amen to that
 
As soon as someone can make a service, where you pay a one off fee, or a set monthly fee (like you would do on a newsgroup at the moment), but legally, and have access to whatever you want, restriction free, they will win.

However, I serioulsy doubt that ever happening.
 
Looks at his SSL Usenet download speed on his 50mb broadband, and smiles! :D

They will never understand and bring down usenets, they barely understand bittorrents!
 
As soon as someone can make a service, where you pay a one off fee, or a set monthly fee (like you would do on a newsgroup at the moment), but legally, and have access to whatever you want, restriction free, they will win.

However, I serioulsy doubt that ever happening.

This tbf as simple as a lovefilm subscription really.
 
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