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looks like a nice cooler, at least it probably dont have the whine the stock coolers have.
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Fermi has 480 shaders, 675MHz+ clock
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Rather than state something as fact, state WHAT you think is contradicting Charlie, however you won't bother doing that. You'll say I'm wrong because of some random fact you won't mention or quote, and in 3 threads time you'll mention this again as fact because thats how you play it.
State what you think is wrong or not backing up what Charlies said otherwise you're just saying random words. You can't simply mention a person and not what area you're even talking about.
No data at any stage has indicated the 470gtx is faster than the 5870, if it has, link it, or mention what games or benchmarks it beats the 5870 in.
The irony is they are now getting the same from ATI - spending £100s for cards that are overkill for DX9 games, very few games use DX10 and by the time DX11 hits proper the 5 series simply won't be upto the job - if games really did use tessellation proper they'd just sit in a corner and cry
What irony, you talk utter rubbish, whats "proper" tesselation. Its an effect, you can use any effect to any degree you want but you fail to mention that. Almost every single new effect has been gradually brought in at gradually increasing levels offering gradually improving image quality. Nvidia will in no way be able to offer tesselation to entire scenes that dramastically improves image quality.
Take Metro 2033, the difference between DX11 with tesselation on and off, is almost nothing, but it halves performance. ITs a badly implemented tesselation and isn't a useful effect at all in that game.
HDR was something that amongst the first 2 generations of hardware that could do it, would be raped when it was overused for no reason, but subtle use increased IQ in games without damaging performance.
What is the point in using up another 5% of die space on a bigger tesselator, when the majority of games will barely use the effect in the next year.
Why didn't Nvidia just put 15k shaders in Fermi? When theres more pixels to push and holodecks are normal Fermi will crumble........... so what, it doesn't need to be able to run a full room of displays and I'm not daft enough to suggest that somehow makes Fermi useless.
AMD not being able to run 6 screens at an uber def with an overused Tesselation effect doesn't upset me, Nvidia can't do it either, neither will be able to generate that much power for another two generations, if you can explain why this hardware should have such a ridiculous amount of power for a barely used effect that won't be that widespread for another couple years, go ahead. Most sensible people will say they'd prefer a well rounded core that does whats needed this year.
As for the insults coming from Rroff now, I don't think I've once, at all in all these threads intimated you were shafted by AMD at some point which is why you hate them.
Likewise, I'll point out you randomly pull facts, like its 27.7% faster than the 5870, out of your behind, because you didn't even bother to mention how you came up with that number.
I post reasons behind my opinions, you post, nonsensical crap in general.
As for most of this information coming from pro-ati sources.. everyones reporting the same things no matter the source, you've yet to prove a single time Charlie was incorrect despite saying he's wrong numerous times and also numerous times being unable to back that up when asked.
It really doesn't matter if Charlie is pro ati, intel, or Nvidia, the information is the information and its right or wrong, and he's been proven right time and time again.
Considering all the massively pro-Nvidia sources have all said much the same as Charlie, I find it hard that you can discount all pro-ati sources. Or is everyone pro-ati now.
Says the guy that takes photos of his GFX card boxes to see if they compare to fermi boxes when empty..
lol only a few days away from reviews guys why is everyone flaming each other?
I work in the industry and im close to the vendors/nvidia and under an NDA but if what i have been told is true then expect to be pleasantly surprise, as for clock speeds nobody has been told these yet so all info around that is rumors.
Hope this stops the flaming.
I work in the industry and im close to the vendors/nvidia and under an NDA but if what i have been told is true then expect to be pleasantly surprise, as for clock speeds nobody has been told these yet so all info around that is rumors.
Hope this stops the flaming.
not ninja enough, nothing to be ashamed of, were all enthusiasts here, I wouldn't expect anything less of you.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/3/3/sapphire-ready-to-launch-radeon-hd-5990-4gb.aspx pretty overkill if you ask me, but still one hell of a card.
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In our opinion, Sapphire's "HD5990" has everything enthusiast might want - for the non-scalable titles, Sapphire's HD5970 OC will perform as a HD 5870 until AMD gets the drivers right, rather than suffering HD 5850 performance. With this board, you get what you don't get with a regular one: custom tailored eight-heatpipe heatsink by Arctic Cooling will keep the board more cooler than the standard ATI heatsink, yet it supports higher clocks.
The clocks on this "HD5990" are 850 MHz [realistically, 853 MHz] and 1200 MHz QDR for the 4GB of GDDR5 memory. Grand total bandwidth of the board is 307.2 GB/s - just like the Ares we described earlier. However, unlike ASUS HD 5970 Ares, Sapphire didn't physically enlarge the product - so the PCB is of standard height and should have no clearance issues even in narrow cases. If you can fit an HD5970, you can fit this board.
The only noticeable change from the standard stock HD5970 is the fact that Sapphire built their own PCB and placed two 8-pin power connectors. That's right, this puppy can eat 375W of juice - Dan told us that there is even overclocking headroom, as these parts actually consume around the same amount of power as two separate 5870's. We don't think that 15-20 Watts of extra power will give you any major GPU clock jumps as you're pushing the term as it is. However, you should be able to significantly overclock the video memory, just like AMD told us in HD5970 pre-launch briefing.
As we mentioned that this board comes with 4GB of GDDR5 memory, there is a situation with 32-bit operating systems. In real world, this board should be used only with 64-bit operating system but unlike nVidia's products, you should not have major issues on 32-bit operating systems. Then again, if you decided to pay a price premium over HD5970 and install a 32-bit operating system, something is definitely not right with you.
Officially, this product will be named just as every other overclocked Radeon HD 5970 but in reality, we're talking about "HD5990", AMD's double whammy to respond to nVidia's GeForce GTX 480. Given that we managed to learn partner allocations for GTX 470 and GTX 480, it is not surprising to see AMD lifting the lid on the overclocked parts. According to our information, partners plan to compete against nVidia on 1:1 ratio between overclocked 5970 boards and GTX 480, which is a pretty interesting plan. Gotta love the competition, right?
All in all LOL perhaps?? And before I get the fan boy rant about me being an ati lover I am happily sat with 2x gtx295 with a gtx285 physx
Andy
I work very closely with Jen-Hsun Huang but I respect his NDA but if what he tells me is true... We are all going to be AMAZED come 26/7th!
Hope this stops the bickering...
NDA? I think thats a full disclosure agreement...
Well I am Jen-Hsun Huang and I say we're still going to be bickering come the 26/7th. And it will still be the same people, going around in the same boring circles.
May all your circles be small ones..
Jen-Hsun Huang is my mothers fathers uncles, sisters, brothers fathers niece
and he said great things will be happening
Bickering is a fact of life, It's human nature, Get over it!
Seems some people think you can only share each others opinions these days!
And before anyone says it's only GFX cards SO WHAT! what's important to you may be insignificant to others, and if it's that unimportant to you please don't trouble yourselves with posting pointless dribble.
