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Do you think ATI have an ACE up there sleeve?

I pretty sure ATI will have a refresh card available at Fermi launch. About 3 months back an article on Anandtech said as much and since then I have read numerous other hints about the "anti fermi" card waiting in ATI's wings. Lets face it, they have had 6 months to work on it, I bet they have more than one option waiting to counter anything Nvidia throw out.
 
How about releasing a 5890 at 5850 prices and dropping the 5850 to ~£160. If they did that they would pretty much own every price point. The only problem with that is where to put the 5830:D
 
If ATI do refresh, lets hope they have more then 5 to sell of their top tier product, and that they can produce more of their single gpu cards to prevent etailers ripping everyone off.
 
mame said:
How about releasing a 5890 at 5850 prices and dropping the 5850 to ~£160. If they did that they would pretty much own every price point. The only problem with that is where to put the 5830:D
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They should pay people to take them away to be honest. ;)
 
Only thing that looks realistic to me is a 5890, a revised version of the 5870, and on a lower chance, a possible card similiar to the 4770 on a new manufacturing process, 28nm maybe?
 
In order to keep eroding Nvidia's marketing lead, I think ATI will want to release a single GPU card to top the 480 as soon as possible. Obviously they'll need to see what the green card can do first (and this need could be as much a reason for Nvidia keeping its cards close to its chest as Fermi being a lame duck is a reason).

ATI will not want to release a refresh that doesn't beat Fermi.
 
Ultim8 said:
Guys do you think ATI have an Ace up there sleeve ready for the fermi launch?
We still havent seen the 5890 and GDDR5 is now able to achieve 7Ghz.

Views and opinions please.
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The ideal scenario would be that fermi benchs on release are awesome thus forcing Ati to lower there prices big time, meaning a clear win for the consumer, however I think is highly unlikely.
So weather Ati do have an ace up there sleeve is inmaterial (no pun intended!)
 
if ati has a refresh up their sleeves, its likely that nvidia will as well after a few months of the release of fermi.

the win win scenario for us consumer would be if fermi turned to be awesome and forces ati to drop their price, and then because of the ati price drop, nvidia had drop theirs as well or release some great mid range card like 8800gt in the day.

just some wishful thinking :)
 
People really are being a tad unrealistic in regards to Fermi, the high end Fermi would have made up sub 2% sales for Nvidia, not having it out isn't great by any means, but not terrible. They've sold shedloads, and I mean shedloads of low end GPU's meanwhile, not massive profit on each card but overall its made them a killing. It will continue to do so but they are losing market share.

But here's the main thing to focus on, Nvidia had a FASTER card in the 280 and 285gtx's than AMD did at any stage, throughout last generation AMD sold more and gained market share on a thoroghly available and faster card. AMD did it by having a core almost half the size and almost as fast for a lot cheaper.

AMD have done this for over a year and will continue to do so till Nvidia makes a smaller core design. Fermi even being 60% faster still wouldn't come close to outselling a card that much cheaper. THe 5870 is faster than a 5770 significantly, yet the 5770 will be outselling it massively.

In reality performance is only half the question. AMD can sell a 5850 at £200, Nvidia look set to sell something almost the same performance for £300, AMD can make a profit at that price, Nvidia can't.

Even though Fermi won't sell great or many, it still won't make a huge dent because Fermi/high end is a small portion.

Once Fermi is out Nvidia can only return to the situation last year, which was, losing market share to cheaper cards that generate more profit per sale, Fermi selling great, will still be a bad situation for Nvidia.

Nvidia desparately need a core design thats compact and efficient, they need to be able to produce cards of the size their competition is making or they won't be competitive.
 
I really don't see prices dropping much, if at all to begin with. Though they should balance out a bit better a little later on.

It will be interesting to see what and if ATI do have something substantial waiting in the wings to counter nvidia's efforts. I think to keep up the momentum they do need to re-take the single gpu crown (assuming fermi 480 will snatch it back) soon as possible. Otherwise what could happen, all over again, is where only their dual gpu card can beat the oppositions single gpu card. 4870X2 > 285 > 4890.

Just my two cents.
 
AMG said:
fermi will probably fail in one way but not in another, Nivdia has all the brains in the world I don't see how they can make another FX
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Going by that train of thought then they should never have made the fx with all these brains at their disposal. Same as intel with netburst, occasionally companies just screw up.
 
ATI have always been in second place in my opinion but seeing how long and how much bull**** fermi has brought to the table I'd say things are about to change.

At least with ATI there Customer friendly I mean What the **** GTX 295 for £420+ xD I'd stick with my 5870 which are going for £280 these days :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
People really are being a tad unrealistic in regards to Fermi, the high end Fermi would have made up sub 2% sales for Nvidia, not having it out isn't great by any means, but not terrible. They've sold shedloads, and I mean shedloads of low end GPU's meanwhile, not massive profit on each card but overall its made them a killing. It will continue to do so but they are losing market share.

But here's the main thing to focus on, Nvidia had a FASTER card in the 280 and 285gtx's than AMD did at any stage, throughout last generation AMD sold more and gained market share on a thoroghly available and faster card. AMD did it by having a core almost half the size and almost as fast for a lot cheaper.

AMD have done this for over a year and will continue to do so till Nvidia makes a smaller core design. Fermi even being 60% faster still wouldn't come close to outselling a card that much cheaper. THe 5870 is faster than a 5770 significantly, yet the 5770 will be outselling it massively.

In reality performance is only half the question. AMD can sell a 5850 at £200, Nvidia look set to sell something almost the same performance for £300, AMD can make a profit at that price, Nvidia can't.

Even though Fermi won't sell great or many, it still won't make a huge dent because Fermi/high end is a small portion.

Once Fermi is out Nvidia can only return to the situation last year, which was, losing market share to cheaper cards that generate more profit per sale, Fermi selling great, will still be a bad situation for Nvidia.

Nvidia desparately need a core design thats compact and efficient, they need to be able to produce cards of the size their competition is making or they won't be competitive.
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i must agree, i forgot about mid-low end cards are the ones that sells and matters for most people, but wont the new fermi architecture effect the performance of mid-low end cards as well, thats if nvidia finally move away of g92 that is. maybe we will see a 40nm version of gts 250 or whatever its going to be rebranded.
 
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