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at one point, but not now, i go on todays prices, not what you could get at some point in time. Obviously I will lower it as needed to get a sale etc, but I could always just put them up for auction as without the blocks they seem to reach pretty high atm. But yea, it's only a price im HOPING for, so you sir, can **** off :P

j/k on the **** off bit :)
 
p0rks0da said:
The prices are WAY off! I bought my 4850 (factory oc version) for £100 ~4 months after they launched. The 4870 was £175, and the 4830 was about £75.

So both the 5830 and the 5850 are more than twice the price of the cards they replaced, well over 6 months into their lifetime. The 5870 is not quite twice the price, but it's not far off!
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I know, what my point was is the RRP.

Bare in mind that the RRP isn't what they're listed at, the RRP is the price set by AMD.

$299 for the 5850, $399 for the 5870 and $600 for a 5970.

Each one is "only" $50 more than the previous release prices.

However the terrible exchange rate has made them more expensive already and then the price gouging too.

The 5970 for example should be £420 including VAT, but it's being price gouged so bad that £100+ has been added on to the price.
 
kylew said:
I know, what my point was is the RRP.

Bare in mind that the RRP isn't what they're listed at, the RRP is the price set by AMD.

$299 for the 5850, $399 for the 5870 and $600 for a 5970.

Each one is "only" $50 more than the previous release prices.

However the terrible exchange rate has made them more expensive already and then the price gouging too.

The 5970 for example should be £420 including VAT, but it's being price gouged so bad that £100+ has been added on to the price.
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Aye i edited my post, you were just too fast for me! I missed the RRP part :)
 
Good stuff!

I just wish they would get together again and make another record. Les' solo stuff is not so interesting in the last 2-3 years.
 
rafster said:
"In the end, the card is too hot, too slow, and unmanufacturable. We told you so. Pop goes the ego.S|A"

If he ends up right, I can't wait to see the reaction of people who rubbished him (Rroff, Duran, Deuce etc, looking at you guys ;) )
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If it was unmanufacturable then it wouldn't be being released would it? if by unmanufacturable he means low yields then up until very recently you could have said the same about 5870.

I doubt it will too slow and too hot is subjective, obviously with 1million more transistors it will run hotter than 5870 but as long as they fit a high quality heatsink as NVidia are renowned for doing then it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Rroff said:
I won't be buying ATI - just doesn't work for me personally.

You can't really pigeon hole my buying habits, sure I bought the original BFG MAXCORE GTX260 SLI setup because it was just under £300 and nothing at that price point could match it for performance and it was capable of performance in the same ballpark as the current top end setups that cost over twice as much. But when I had to RMA one of the cards, I wasn't sure how long it would take, so went looking for a card to replace it while it was gone, saw the gigabyte GTX260 SoC - it took my fancy so I spent £300 on a pair of them to replace my current cards. I'll spend what it takes to get what I want, but I won't pay over the odds for marginal performance increases or compromise on what I want to save money.
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I think it's fairly straightforward to pigeon hole your buying habits
 
Tested games, 2560*1600:
Call of Duty World at War, 4xAA, 16xAF
Company of Heroes, Opposing Fronts
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky, NoAA, NoAF
Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood, Maxed
Enemy Territory: Quake Wors, 8xAA, 16xAF
Farcry 2, DX10, HDR On, 4xAA
Crysis Warhead DX10
Dawn of War 2, Ultra
Fallout 3, Ultra, High-Res Texture Pack
HAWX, DX10, SSAO Very High, 4xAA
Resident Evil 5, DX10, Maxed
Wolfenstein, 8xAA, 8xAF, Maxed
Batman: Arkham Asylum, NoAA, Maxed


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The scores were a little higher for the ES card with the second set of drivers but nothing record-braking.

Core temp idle was 58C, core temp load around 86-90C, which was good.
It's laud, but not 5800Ultra.
In the tesselation tests, the GTX-ul won with +53% vs 5870, but this is as relevant as the 5-point parallelism issue where the The tesselation performance wasRAdeon wins with 350%+.

Idle power is at least 3 times that of the 5870 and the drained power at load was 283W. The official 480 will have less drained power because it will have a whole shader cluster disabled.
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Link

I would like to know how he got his hand on one given he was apparently testing a engineering sample with the fat 512 shaders rather the retail version of 480 shaders. If the power usages is liner to drop in shaders then the retail card will under load consume around about 265 watts.
 
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If that really is the result of the 512 shader version, then I dont think the 480 one is going to be too good.

So the final GTX480 will have 480 shaders (one main unit disabled) and clocks upped to 675, so I'll pretty have the performance of the 512 shaders, 600MHz ES I tested, that being 3.6% faster on average then the 5870.
So judging by the price, power & heat - overall it's not worth the trouble. Be aware that the 5870 is set as reference card, so those are not FPSs in the graph below, but differences in %.
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Freddie1980 said:
Link

I would like to know how he got his hand on one given he was apparently testing a engineering sample with the fat 512 shaders rather the retail version of 480 shaders. If the power usages is liner to drop in shaders then the retail card will under load consume around about 265 watts.
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If a shader cluster is disabled, that performance graph is utterly pointless.

The minimal lead it has in those few games is going to be negated, and the ones where the 5870 is leading are going to be more in the 5870's favour.

If they price these at anything more than a 5870, I can't see many people at all buying except for a select few.
 
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