Case help please

C64 · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:29

stulid said:
www.bit-tech.net reviewed the RV02 on the 17th of november, don't know if its the same as that rubbish posted above.

didn't do well by all accounts, better to have no case at all.

Vanger wants a M3, you post a G-wizz.

That is one bad review of a similar lay out case there's plenty saying the cooling performance is good.
Not seeing many end users moaning about the cooling performance of it on xtreme systems or hard forum or here.

A gwizz ? have you seen silverstone cases in the flesh ? things are beastly

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:34

lol M3 and a G-Wizz :rolleyes:

the difference doesnt look that extreme

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:35

Not a bad review at all! They have always been spot on.

You asked for a source, I provided it.

I got more if you want?

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:39

i like the discussion about the Silverstones but can you give me any other case suggestions other than the Fortresses? i quite like the look of the FT01 but i think it looks quite small. also the FT02's orientation puts me off a bit despite the lovely looks. you probably missed earlier but i asked about the Lian Li PC-B10 and was wondering if you have any opinions on that casle? its smaller than the A71B but has that nice sleek look about it. right now im stuck between the Lian Li's, the Fortresses and the CM ATCS 840

C64 · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:41

Here's a quick temperature comparison. The second post will be a follow-up after I migrate everything over to the FT02.

* i7 860 - 2.8GHz (stock), auto voltage (1.192v at idle in CPU-z), C1E / SpeedStep / etc. disabled, hyperthreading enabled

* Stock Intel HSF

* Antec P182 SE with 3x Yate Loon L, 1x Scythe S-Flex F

* Temps measured by Core Temp 0.99.5, loaded by Prime95 (SmallFFTs, 8 threads)

* Amblient temp 70F (21C)

Idle: 46C, 45C, 47C, 47C
Load: 93C, 96C, 94C, 97C after ~30 seconds of testing AND CLIMBING (not good...)

* EVGA GTX285, stock clocks and voltages

* Stock heatsink

* Temps measured by GPU-Z (GPU temp), loaded by FureMark 1.7.0 (1920x1080 fullscreen, 16x MSAA, 150000ms test time)

* Amblient temp 70F (21C)

Idle: 51C
Load: 87C

I probably have a bad mount on my heatsink, but I'm going to leave it alone to see if the FT02 makes a huge difference or not.

And ft02

the cooling performance is DEFINITELY noticed:

* i7 860 - 2.8GHz (stock), auto voltage (1.192v at idle in CPU-z), C1E / SpeedStep / etc. disabled, hyperthreading enabled

* Stock Intel HSF

* Silverstone FT02B, 3x180mm on high, 120mm on motherboard header

* Temps measured by Core Temp 0.99.5, loaded by Prime95 (SmallFFTs, 8 threads)

* Amblient temp 67F (19.4C)

Idle: 35C, 33C, 36C, 34C
Load: 63C, 63C, 62C, 64C after ~3 minutes of testing holding steady

* EVGA GTX285, stock clocks and voltages

* Stock heatsink

* Temps measured by GPU-Z (GPU temp), loaded by FureMark 1.7.0 (1920x1080 fullscreen, 16x MSAA, 150000ms test time)

* Amblient temp 67F (19.4C)

Idle: 38C
Load: 81C

I almost can't believe my eyes. These improvements are excellent. Clearly my P182 was starved for air, despite having two 120mm intake fans and two 120mm exhaust fans (plus the PSU and graphics card). The problem is most likely the fact that I was using slower, quiet fans and the case layout, which doesn't allow air to flow everywhere free

So in summary:

CPU Temperatures
P182 SE - Idle: 46C, 45C, 47C, 47C (46.5C avg - 21C ambient = 25.5 delta C)
FT02B - Idle: 35C, 33C, 36C, 34C (34.5C avg -19.4C ambient = 15.1 delta C)

P182 SE - Load: 93C, 96C, 94C, 97C (95C avg - 21C ambient = 74 delta C)
FT02B - Load: 63C, 63C, 62C, 64C (63C avg - 19.4C ambient = 43.6 delta C)

GPU Temperatures
P182 SE - Idle: 51 (51C - 21C ambient = 30 delta C)
FT02B - Idle: 38C (38C - 19.4C ambient = 18.6 delta C)

P182 SE - Load: 87C (87C - 21C amblient = 66 delta C)
FT02B - Load: 81C (81C - 19.4C ambient = 61.6 delta C)

All hardware and settings were maintained during both tests except for the ambient temperature and the case. I did NOT re-seat the Intel HSF between tests.

I prefer end user comparisons than sites sometimes.

C64 · 1 Apr 2010 at 18:46

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17992382&highlight=silverstone

Don't be put off the fortress ft01 it's a fantastic case, only major issue is the top fan filter but just run the top fan as exhaust or use a strong hoover now and then on the top if you want positive air pressure and it's not really an issue.

Black one without a window will cost you £134.

My advice to you though is find and extra £30 or so and get a corsiar 800D.

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:01

is the 800D good for air cooling? i thought it was a water cooling case? plus it is about 50 quid more

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:05

Vanger get the Lian Li or ATCS840.

You have to be blind to want a fortress.

As for end user comments, do they have all the temperature measure equipment that major review sites use? No they don't.

Bit-tech/custom pc even use the FLIR SC640 infared camera in controlled test enviroments to measure component heat.

Of course an end-user is going to say his latest purchase was worth it! He has to justify it to him-self and other forum users.

setter · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:13

Heres a pic of my A70F compared to my old akasa eclipse 62,

should give you an idea of the size. It is quite a large case, but i still have plenty of room below the desk. The A71F is the same case as the A70F internally, only difference being the door on the A71F.

Internal shot

C64 · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:16

Are you telling him to get the coolermaster because you own it ? i suggested a case i don't own and pointed out the flaw of the one i do and I don't see you pointing out the flaws of the coolermaster of which I am sure it has some.
Have seen some opinions about it being a noisy case on this very forum doesn't mean it's true though.
So you are saying bit tech is right and the thousands of end users are wrong then ? here is a snippet of their ft01 review

it’s certainly a very frustrating situation to have a case perform so well under one situation, and then so poorly in another, and could easily have been avoided by reducing the hard drive capacity of the FT01 in exchange for more space between the drives, thus allowing improved airflow from the front 180mm intake.

well duh both cages are removable just shows how lack lustre and un indepth their reviews are

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:21

No.

I am suggesting it because it fits his requirements.

Or have you forgotten what they are?

I also suggested a Lian Li many times, or haven't you read this thread?

C64 · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:22

stulid said:
No.

I am suggesting it because it fits his requirements.

Or have you forgotten what they are?

I also suggested a Lian Li many times, or haven't you read this thread?

Just think you're a troll now tbh added to ignore, the ft01 and ft02 fit his requirements perfectly in his price range.

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:28

well i really cant see how the Fortress could be so bad 'you would have to blind to think about it'. both of the Fortresses fit my requirements yes but the FT01 is quite small compared to other cases in the price range. and the FT02 looks like it has a strange way orientation of the components. where does the I/O shield go? on the top?

i wish there was a Lian Li like the A70 but with out the grill at the front.

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:29

@C64

Oh! boo hoo.

You don't like the fact I'm right/your wrong.

Jog on kid.

setter · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:32

V4nger said:
well i really cant see how the Fortress could be so bad 'you would have to blind to think about it'. both of the Fortresses fit my requirements yes but the FT01 is quite small compared to other cases in the price range. and the FT02 looks like it has a strange way orientation of the components. where does the I/O shield go? on the top?

i wish there was a Lian Li like the A70 but with out the grill at the front.

The A71F would perhaps be more suitable with its door front, however youd need to be sure that whatever fan controller you use, there'll be space behind the door for the control knobs.

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:35

thats what i was thinking. someone said earlier that there is about 2cm between the front and the door so maybe i could fit a low profile one in there?

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:38

Setters choice is nice.

setter · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:44

V4nger said:
thats what i was thinking. someone said earlier that there is about 2cm between the front and the door so maybe i could fit a low profile one in there?

Do you have the controller at the minute V4nger. Or do you have a particular model in mind? Might be worth asking on the forum about the length of control dials on controllers your interested in.

V4nger · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:47

stulid said:
Oh! boo hoo.

You don't like the fact I'm right/your wrong.

Jog on kid.

i hope this wasnt directed at me because i havent said anything against your opinions but the fact that you said i would have to be blind to choose a fortress. :confused:

stulid · 1 Apr 2010 at 19:49

No. You know who its directed at.

None of my negative comments are aimed at Setter/vanger.

I will ammend the post.