Shadow Home Secretary: Hotel Owners Should Be Able To Ban Gays

Daegan said:
How are any ideals, other than tolerance, being forced on the owners?
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That surely depends on the ideals of the people involved. Tolerance is a two way street, and tolerating someone's right to disapprove of behaviour is no different to tolerating that behaviour. Forcing someone to tolerate behaviour that makes them uncomfortable in as unnacceptable to me as a state ban on homosexuals in hotels...

There are still hotels that frown on unmarried heterosexual couples, or that don't allow children, because those are the desires of the owners, who frequently also live there.

Is this situation any different?
 
They should be free to choose who they offer accomodation to, just as we are free to choose not to award them with our business.
 
Simplest solution is to allow B&B owners to ban homosexual and heterosexual couples at their own discretion then everyone is being discriminated against equally.
 
Redman said:
And if it's on religious grounds?
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Don't even get me started on bible bashers to be fair :)

In regards to dolphs post, how are homosexual couples not going to stay in a B&B going to affect their busines in a way that can be measured? I highly doubt the number of homosexual couples actually wanting to stay in B&B's is at a level which can be influential to the business world, meaning that its pure discrimination against homosexual couples.

From a religious point of view, why don't they just ban people who had an abortion as well from going to stay at their B&B's, hell lets ban people from other faiths as well from staying at B&B's.

This is the first step to a cascade of discrimination in my opinion.
 
To be entirely realistic a B&B owner can refuse a room to anyone they want.

Officially, written on a piece of paper, on a large sign over the door, no.

It's called checking the diary and finding out that: "I am sorry but it seems we're booked up for that day. Yes, and the other days you wanted too. I can recommend these other B&B's in the area which may have rooms available."

And you can say that to anyone you dam well please.

If you book a room to someone else on a day you say you were full on, well that's because someone cancelled and freed up space if anyone asks.

If it's a big hotel or a chain it's too dangerous for business to do that.
 
Thread title:

Shadow Home Secretary: Hotel Owners Should Be Able To Ban Gays
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Statement that the OP quoted from the article they linked to:

He draws a distinction, however, with hotels, which he says should admit gay couples.
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So the thread title is clearly wrong.
 
Ricochet J said:
If average joe gay couple came to a B&B then I think it's wrong to descriminate against their sexual orientation. After all they've done nothing wrong and it might also break the The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007.
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So what? If they don't like it then they can go pack their fudge elsewhere can't they? It's hardly like there's a shortage of hotels in the UK :rolleyes:
 
He has said nothing wrong, I don't think many people would disagree with what he said. (Except the usual gay rights stirrers who have nothing better to do)

People should have a right to decline anyone from staying on property that they own, regardless of its purpose. Bringing homophobia into it is just stupid.
 
No the Tories haven't changed, they have been forced to look as though they have, but in reality they will catalyse - chaos, riots, pandemonium, hate, fear and greed!
 
This has been TOTALLY twisted.

B&B's are run in peoples homes, this has nothing to do with hotels whatsoever. It's not a ban on gays either. He simply said people should be alowed to turn away who they want, which seems fair enough. In fact, being forced to admit anyone seems facist to me.
 
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Tunney said:
So everyone here thinks that businesses should be allowed to ban black people from their business?
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Yes, along with white people, straight people, gay people, asian people, green people, tall people, short people, fat people, thin people, labour supporters, conservative supporters.... etc etc...
 
This is why society is broken, respect for personal liberty is replaced by entitlements. Its a patronising law. Why would any one want to stay at a b&b if they are not welcome? I would just find another B&B not go crying to the police.
 
As a gay man its completely backwards thinking.

However as always the media will blow this WAY out of proportion and labour some ammo for the pmqz on wed. Would be hilarious if Ashcroft & Homophobia came up in the same sentence.
 
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Lets examine what he actually said

He said: "I think we need to allow people to have their own consciences. I personally always took the view that... if you look at the case of 'Should a Christian hotel owner have the right to exclude a gay couple from their hotel?'
"I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home.
"If they are running a hotel on the High Street, I really don't think that it is right in this day and age that a gay couple should walk into a hotel and be turned away because they are a gay couple, and I think that is where the dividing line comes."
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I'm finding it difficult to find fault over what he actually said
 
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