Breathing some life back into my 420 Turbo (Lots of pics)

I'm struggling to see the point. For the £4k it's cost you so far, you could have bought a car just as capable without the need for investing hundreds of hours into it.

Are you just stupid or purposefully annoying? Did you not read the first paragraph of this thread? You could buy something much more capable than that clio in your sig for about the same price that you paid. Why didn't you?? The answer is because you love it that's why, and that is the reason the op is doing this to his 420.
 
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Interesting to read and view the pics, but I'm struggling to see the point. For the £4k it's cost you so far, you could have bought a car just as capable without the need for investing hundreds of hours into it.

Which would have higher running costs, more expensive spares and could easily turn into a money pit...

Looking good Andy, was wondering what happened to the green 420, saw you had a red one now, thought you might've sold other off :p
 
Awesome Andy, love it :) - Truely admire the work and effort you put into this. It was an animal before, can't wait till its done.

When do you expect a first test drive? I understand this is a long way off but you must have a rough estimation.
 
Are you just stupid or purposefully annoying? Did you not read the first paragraph of this thread? You could buy something much more capable than that clio in your sig for about the same price that you paid. Why didn't you?? The answer is because you love it that's why, and that is the reason the op is doing this to his 420.

Woah, who rattled your cage? I've just reread the first paragraph and nope, I still can't see anything contradictory to it with my post. I've not suggested that he should get rid of his car, or that it's a heap of crap, or anything of that ilk. I merely voiced an opinion that, as interesting as it is to see the photo breakdown and everything, this just isn't something that really makes sense to me. And it still doesn't.

As for the Clio comment, at the time there weren't a great deal of other cars that were more capable at the same price margin that I could afford to run. Pretty much every 'much more capable' alternative would be have been either prohibitively expensive to insure, cost a fortune to run, or both. Not that I own the 172 anymore; it was sold 18 months back when I moved to Adelaide.

Which would have higher running costs, more expensive spares and could easily turn into a money pit...

Really? Every alternative? No. As for the money pit, I'd be tempted to say that a car that has

A combination of a leaky power steering pump, minging engine bay, patchy bodywork

Is one that is already turning into a money pit to fix.
 
Is one that is already turning into a money pit to fix.

The leaky power steering pump is the only thing I'd put on there as necessary. Everything else, is just personal preference of his hobby as he wants to tidy his car up. And considering the car is 15 years old and has had extensive modification done to match his hunger for mowah power (which again is his hobby) I still wouldn't class it as a money pit.
 
The front engine mount was showing signs of splitting (caused by worn rubber engine stabilisers - mine have been replaced by poly bushes so I shouldn't have to worry about such problems in future)

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It wasn't split all of the way through, so I repaired it. With the stronger stabilisers mentioned above, it should hold out.

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Considering you've spent decent money on other bits for it why didn't you just replace the engine mount whilst it was out of the car? It's very likely to split again as it's just been glued back together.
 
watching to see how the MS installation goes. I run it on my car, and have been trying to convince my mate (phoenix on rovertech.. you may know /of him?) to ditch MEMS for ages on his coupe

Ah yeah, I know of Viv. He still got his Coupe I take it?

I forgot you had MS. I know of a few people who run it now, which is handy for if (read. when) I get stuck.

Eliot, yep that's the subframe. Some cars have one, some have two. They bolt into the chassis and then the engine, suspension etc bolt to the subframes.

Awesome Andy, love it :) - Truely admire the work and effort you put into this. It was an animal before, can't wait till its done.

When do you expect a first test drive? I understand this is a long way off but you must have a rough estimation.

I'm still waiting on my lightened flywheel before I can get the gearbox back on. That's what's going to hold me back the most but with any luck, I'll get the engine in at the end of April. I've got plenty to be doing in the meantime anyway.

I'm going to the ring in June so need to give myself plenty of time to make sure it's ok before I go.

Trojan, appreciate the input but it's not as though I spent £4k in one go. 4k over 3 years is nothing IMO... certainly not when you factor in the performance of the car. The point you made about the time spent on the car is completely subjective. Some people play football or spend their time catching up on TV soaps, I spend my time (well, some of it :p) working on the car.

Really? Every alternative? No. As for the money pit, I'd be tempted to say that a car that has

A combination of a leaky power steering pump, minging engine bay, patchy bodywork

Is one that is already turning into a money pit to fix.

Sorry, but that's a load of rubbish. You're going to write the car off based on it having a power steering leak, dirty engine bay and needing some bodywork. I forgot that power steering pumps last forever and don't need changing.

Engine bays get dirty over time, and as I was removing the head, gearbox and sump anyway it wasn't much more work to remove the block in order to get full access to the bay to give everything a damn good clean.

The car may not seem worth it to you and I fully appreciate that a 15 year old Rover is not to everyone's tastes... but I like the car, know it inside out and can do most of the work myself so therefore I'll carry on doing so :)

I'll hasten to add that before I moved closer to work, the car did 1600 miles a month for 6 months and the only time I had any problems was when I bought a new rotor arm and turned out to be faulty. I know of many cars from other prestige brands that've been much more unreliable than my car.

Looking good Andy, was wondering what happened to the green 420, saw you had a red one now, thought you might've sold other off :p

Yeah, the red 420 was a bit of a spare of the moment thing. I probably should have kept the Coupe as there wasn't much to go wrong with that, heh. On the plus side, I should quite easily make a profit when it comes to sell.

And in regards to your comment about selling the green one... no way! It's just been in hiding.

Considering you've spent decent money on other bits for it why didn't you just replace the engine mount whilst it was out of the car? It's very likely to split again as it's just been glued back together.

Very good point and one that I questioned myself. I had no idea that the mount had split until I removed it. I guess that as it hadn't split all the way through and with the poly stabilisers being as stiff as they are stopped it from getting any worse. I'll see how it goes.

You can remove the mount by supporting the engine and lowering the subframe so it's not the end of the world if it needs to be done in future.
 
Thanks this has thought me a little with the detailed writing and stuff just wondering in the photos is the subframe that black bat thing that joins the two sides of the car just wondering cos I never know what people mean when it's mentioned

Subframe before paint
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Subframe after paint and installed.
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Seems the 420 has quite a small one, some cars have annoyingly large and heavy ones. It is the lower 'beam' that links the two wings and has the engine/gearbox sitting on a mount on it under the car.

EDIT: Seems Andy beat me to it. :)


Andy, cracking work, I hope you're going to sort the few iffy bodywork sections too as I recall it had some damage around one or two of the arches last time I saw it (ages ago mind) which will let all this work down a bit really.

Not where I'd send £4k mind, but ignoring my dislike for Rovers the work is brilliant and you're making it into a real car. :p Saying that, at the last RR it was at, it was a real car then too. :p
 
Always loved the look of your car, and have appreciated all the work you put into it.

What sort of power will this be pushing once you have done everything?

Also always wondered, after you have done all that work to the engine, will it technically be like brand new?
 
I'll enjoy following the project but Cannot understand why you would do all that work & then Glue the Mounting. :confused:
 
Andy mate, bin that mounting, it's had it.

Otherwise, keep it up. Some people will never understand why it's enjoyable to do stuff like this same as I'll never understand the fascination with having a brand new number plate on the drive every year. We're all different and have different priorities and interests.
 
Interesting thread! Like i say in all these threads i know ****-all about mechanics but it's interesting to read about (especially with ell anotated pictures for simple people like me!)

I have to admit though that the engine mount glue-job seemed a little odd to me when you've invested in nice new parts elsewhere... even if i do know nothing!

In any case, nice thread. Looking forward to more.
 
Nice project & well written chap, I think you need more gauges!

I'm going to replace the bearing and swap the LSD with the weaker but quite frankly awesome Type A TorSen. I'd find it quite hard for even the most die-hard of Rover haters to keep a straight face with that thing working its magic!

:)
 
Fair enough on the engine mount guys. I'll admit it was a bit *****-ish of me... but hey, would you expect anything less from a Rover owner?? Rust... fill it. Holes in the floor... just bolt in some chequer plate and pretend they're not there ;)

The main reason I repaired the mount is due to me having polybushed stabilisers. It's the normal rubber bushes wearing that cause the mounts to flex and take up engine movement which results in them breaking down like that. The poly ones have NO movement at all, putting less strain on the mounts.

I'll keep an eye out for a new mount but you think mine's bad... they have a habit of ripping apart completely :eek:

Rob, cheers. I've been saying for years that I'd get the car resprayed but after recently seeing the effects a machine polish can have, will give the car a good going over. I've got a few panels which will be painted, but at least I won't have to have the doors and roof resprayed. The rust, of which there isn't a great deal in all honesty, will be dealt with too and inner wings and quarter panels given a hefty coating of underseal to reduce the chance of the rust re-appearing.

GinG, stripping, cleaning and rebuilding the head for example should return it to as new condition. Obviously there's mechanical wear to be taken into account but if the engine has been looked after this shouldn't really be noticeable and definitely won't cause any problems.

Nice project & well written chap, I think you need more gauges!

:D I think I have enough for now... not to mention, I'm running out of room.
 
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