Gordon Brown can't add up

Superewza said:
Gordon Brown hasn't done anything to the economy, it was all set in motion by Blair (in this country at least). Everybody makes mistakes, are we to be so pedantic that this is a deciding factor in where your vote goes?
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Really, what do you think he has done sitting on his backside over the years, played monopoly?
 
any chance of the mods making one uber thread for all this election stuff. I don't live in the uk and won't be voting please don't let the great OCUK forum descend into the mindless tit for tat nonsense that will stop me reading any UK press for the next 6 weeks.

It was great to see you did it with the BNP now if you do it with election it would be great. This election will be 10X worse than any big brother for lies and boring half truths.
 
jas72 said:
any chance of the mods making one uber thread for all this election stuff. I don't live in the uk and won't be voting please don't let the great OCUK forum descend into the mindless tit for tat nonsense that will stop me reading any UK press for the next 6 weeks.
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It’s our election and we will say what we like, you can always ignore a thread. :p

Since when did reading a forum stop you from reading the UK press? ;)
 
robgmun said:
Jeez, what worries me is that the loony left (remember that phrase :D) work on nothing but assumptions and FUD and pluck facts out of the air without any proof. They can't even get the maggie facts right, if i hear milk snatcher one more time..... yeah like we are a nation of rickets suffers :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure if it's good or bad that I'm no longer surprised to hear that kind of thing coming from you. As I recall, I've made three separate attempts on three different issues to get you to reference your claims and assumptions with citations, yet you mysteriously ignored me each time....

I wouldn't mind in the slightest if you didn't keep on insulting the likes of myself, and others by calling us 'loons' that pluck our facts out of the air without any proof when you're far, far more guilty of such action, than myself.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Tory shpeel .
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The problem Conservative voters assume Labour and Lib dem voters don't understand the economy or something,

Of course they understand that high taxation reduces businesses willingness to invest in our country.

However you have to balance that out with how much is passed on to the people at the bottom and what happens to those without jobs.

Government debt is high but simply cutting public services now would be worse in the long run with unemployment already high it would destroy our recovery. It does need to be reduced but over time.

It is this absolute attitude that is silly to me. When relative taxation is just as important. Sure we have about 40% tax overall but so does France, so does Germany and Japan and the USA are around 30%.

These CEOs will only go so far, remember they also don't want to live under a totalitarian regime.

While we can't control the entire world at the end of the day these billionaires cost more than dole scroungers in avoided taxation so while it wont be possible to close all tax havens I do think morally it is the right way to go but obviously we can't just be totally inefficient also. So Labour is the middle ground really.
 
Superewza said:
Greens - care about the people, the planet and scientific advancement but
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Just thought I would do a bit of research on the Greens, and Wow... would you like some socialism while you cripple the nations defences?:

Increase the main rate of Corporation Tax from 28% back to 30% and reduce the small firms rate back to 20%

Raise the Capital Gains Tax rate from 18% to the recipient’s highest income tax rate (that is 22%, 40% or 50%)

Work towards a 35-hour working week.

Require 40% of board members of larger companies to be female within five years.

Work towards ensuring that the maximum wage in any organisation is no more than ten times the minimum wage in that organisation.

Dismantle nuclear weapons, reducing our forces and cutting subsidies to the arms industry.

On inspection, there is little or no threat of direct invasion of the UK by any nation. Commitment to a large standing army, a navy of large warships around our coastline, squadrons of fighter planes and a cripplingly expensive missile defence system is therefore unnecessary.

We would take the UK out of NATO unilaterally. We would also end the so-called "special relationship" between the UK and the US.

Road fuel duties are important in encouraging drivers to become mileage conscious.
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Esentially, High taxes, weath distribution on a laughable scale, maintain an armed forces with similar capabilities to Andorra and cripple the economy by punishing the rich. Yay :D
 
to top it off he mentioned on GMTV that National insurance is going up, like we dont pay enough in tax anyway.

tax this tax that, he's a greedy pleb,
 
Road fuel duties are important in encouraging drivers to become mileage conscious.
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Is it just me that sees that as meaning petrol would = £2.50 per litre?

Yeah... id vote Green... if the alternative option was being castrated with a rusty spoon.
 
lucasade1 said:
Just thought I would do a bit of research on the Greens, and Wow... would you like some socialism while you cripple the nations defences?:



Esentially, High taxes, weath distribution on a laughable scale, maintain an armed forces with similar capabilities to Andorra and cripple the economy by punishing the rich. Yay :D
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They also want to stop all nuclear power and shut down zoos. The Greens are a party of nutters getting votes from people who think they're all nice and environmental.
 
Don't forget PPP and PFI schemes used for new build hospitals and schools, We'll be paying for them for the next 30 years.

Conservatives need to focus on policies and less on bashing the Labour party, no harm in bashing labour but people aren't going to vote for them if they don't know what they want to do. What I definately don't want is another 5 years Labour or a hung parliment.
 
magick said:
If i'm right the poorest 10% also pay around 25% of the nations taxes and they are taxed by a much higher proportion of there income than the richest 1%.
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Hatter The Mad said:
That... just can't be right.
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Jokester said:
Indeed, it isn't fiscally possible except if the Brown had introduced taxes that only the poorest 10% paid!
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Yeah, magick was talking out of his arse, as usual:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/08_09/downloads/ELMR_Aug09_Barnard.pdf
 
drunkenmaster said:
This is the problem with people, no idea how a country works.

Conservatives care about keeping rich people rich........ do you have any idea why? Its because the rich people, pay for almost everything in the country. Capitalism, especially the way the UK and US do it, are COMPLETELY reliant on the tax payed out by rich people.

This is what Labour conviniently forgets to tell you, lower taxes on rich people, more rich people making more money, means LESS money required from the poor, less budget deficit, less debt all around.

Taxing rich people, makes rich people leave the country, taxing rich companies, makes rich companies leave the country......... that leads to massive tax losses, which is made up by taxing the poor a higher amount.

Encouraging companies to grow, encouraging them to stay and encouraging them to create more jobs, is how strong economies grow.

So in essense the conservatives will make life better for uber rich people, which keeps them here, keeps their business's here, causes new jobs to be created here, causing a drop in numbers of people in fictitious and unrequired public sector jobs and people on social security, which leads to reduce budgets, increase income, a smaller defecit, less debt, less tax on poorer people, more jobs for poorer people......... oh how gosh darn terrible those conservatives are.

Except for Labour trying to convince everyone through short term lies that tax increases on the rich somehow reduce the tax bills on the poor, there is no proof of this. Every other country in the world is offering big business tax breaks and incentives, a reason to create more jobs in their country as opposed to elsewhere. Thats basically every country in the world trying to encourage companies to open up manufacturing plants, offices, anything to get more jobs in and more tax income. The UK is one of very few places actively pushing everyone away.

Increase profitability, which is what conservatives tend to be about, is good for every single person in the uk, the quicker people realise that, the quicker the country can start to act responsibly.

The first step is a massive campaign and lots of new measures to offer business's from all over the globe incentives to create new jobs in the UK. Every country in the world is playing the game of courting company CEO's persuading them they'd be best off opening a factory in their country, its about time we got in on the game and tried to create some new jobs here.
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Of course, the problem is you just presented a good case for voting labour. The Conservatives are famous for lowering the tax on rich people and dumping it on the poor. Labour aren't.

Oh, and lucasade1, i most certainly would.
 
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