Because of onerous and unnecessary admin demands from the central diktat as an alternative to addressing structural failures... I'm not suggesting teachers are not working smart, I'm suggesting the central dictation and demand is making them not work smart.
Teaching Hours and new Teaching Strike?
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Because of onerous and unnecessary admin demands from the central diktat as an alternative to addressing structural failures... I'm not suggesting teachers are not working smart, I'm suggesting the central dictation and demand is making them not work smart.
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Good teachers get fantastic results and work long hours. Their work is never done and they get the most from the children.
Bad teachers typically come from crap universities (who did a turd course like social psycology and then stuck a teaching year on the end of it) and gained entry with only 2 Alevels and many have appaling spelling! Some show up at 9am, mark all books in the class and leave at 4pm and do not prepare for lessons.
In modern Britain, a good teacher is becoming increasingly hard to find. However difficult teaching may be though, they do get a LOT of holiday.
A good teacher works long hours, but crap lazy ones do very little and have a very cushy life.*
Should teachers strike? No, because the majority are lazy and really have no idea how easy working in education can be. I feel for the small number of good, hard working, decent teachers who genuinely do work a 50hour week.
*I have relatives who work in a school, I go into school myself for a technology project with Class A students (I don't go near the 'special' kids) and obviously I went to school myself once
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EDIT: The problem with many teachers is that they have NEVER worked outside a learning environment, which means many have no idea about the real working world.
Bad teachers typically come from crap universities (who did a turd course like social psycology and then stuck a teaching year on the end of it) and gained entry with only 2 Alevels and many have appaling spelling! Some show up at 9am, mark all books in the class and leave at 4pm and do not prepare for lessons.
In modern Britain, a good teacher is becoming increasingly hard to find. However difficult teaching may be though, they do get a LOT of holiday.
A good teacher works long hours, but crap lazy ones do very little and have a very cushy life.*
Should teachers strike? No, because the majority are lazy and really have no idea how easy working in education can be. I feel for the small number of good, hard working, decent teachers who genuinely do work a 50hour week.
*I have relatives who work in a school, I go into school myself for a technology project with Class A students (I don't go near the 'special' kids) and obviously I went to school myself once
.EDIT: The problem with many teachers is that they have NEVER worked outside a learning environment, which means many have no idea about the real working world.
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Almost anyone that does a "good job" in a good job works longer than their contracted hours 
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Teachers get an awful lot of holidays, far more than any other industry.
.Teachers get an awful lot of holidays, far more than any other industry.
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Almost anyone that does a "good job" in a good job works longer than their contracted hours
Teachers get an awful lot of holidays, far more than any other industry.
Indeed.
I go into a school (to which I had to be full criminally checked for
) to work with the very top Alevel maths and physics students who WANT to be there. This I enjoy.I could not teach the lower sets or the 'do I look bovarrrrrrrrrrd' types.
Teaching is more crowd control than anything else and you aren't allowed to control the crowd except from shouting.
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I'm an NQT guess how many hours I work a week?
This post i completely agree with.Good teachers get fantastic results and work long hours. Their work is never done and they get the most from the children.
Bad teachers typically come from crap universities (who did a turd course like social psycology and then stuck a teaching year on the end of it) and gained entry with only 2 Alevels and many have appaling spelling! Some show up at 9am, mark all books in the class and leave at 4pm and do not prepare for lessons.
In modern Britain, a good teacher is becoming increasingly hard to find. However difficult teaching may be though, they do get a LOT of holiday.
A good teacher works long hours, but crap lazy ones do very little and have a very cushy life.*
Should teachers strike? No, because the majority are lazy and really have no idea how easy working in education can be. I feel for the small number of good, hard working, decent teachers who genuinely do work a 50hour week.
*I have relatives who work in a school, I go into school myself for a technology project with Class A students (I don't go near the 'special' kids) and obviously I went to school myself once
EDIT: The problem with many teachers is that they have NEVER worked outside a learning environment, which means many have no idea about the real working world.
Sums it up quite nicely tbh.
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Per year is much more interesting.
I assume too many??
I'm in my NQT year and after the first term I started using my time more efficiently to plan etc, generally I leave school at 5 with the rest of my evening free and spend a few hours on Sunday checking my planning for the week which I do over the holidays. It's the evidence file that takes the time
I don't envy primary teachers, their planning load seems much higher.
In response to the OP I would be against strike action. For me teaching was what I wanted to do and with that comes all the other responsibilities of being a teacher.
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I know a Chartered Teacher on £40k+ its a progression system, but I also know that's a long way away.
I'm hoping to take the teaching route, currently in 3rd year uni and doing a work placement in my local high school where I'm known as 'Mr Burrows' lol. 1 more year then try to get into teacher training, where the places have been cut dramatically...
I was at the Scottish EIS Union March, and I've been talking with the Shadow MSP for Teaching, but not much impact, if any. The Teacher's union meetings in School are very charged and well organised. It was surprising to see teachers of all subjects basically talk in-depth politics.
I'm hoping to take the teaching route, currently in 3rd year uni and doing a work placement in my local high school where I'm known as 'Mr Burrows' lol. 1 more year then try to get into teacher training, where the places have been cut dramatically...
I was at the Scottish EIS Union March, and I've been talking with the Shadow MSP for Teaching, but not much impact, if any. The Teacher's union meetings in School are very charged and well organised. It was surprising to see teachers of all subjects basically talk in-depth politics.
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If I could ask of anything, just 1 thing to change in Schools. I'd make it 100x easier to expel or move Neds/Chavs who do nothing but distrupt lessons and don't want to learn anyway. Most trouble pupils leave at 4th year, but thats 4 years of distruption too many. Its near impossible to get through to trouble pupils, and when I attempt to help some trouble pupils to work I often face aggression/threats of violence which is obviously not tolerated but persists because all we can do is give them an angry talk.
Mentally disabled children get appropriate treatment in separate facilities, so should Neds/Chavs who don't do work. I actually believe that some of the pupils I've delt with CANNOT do the work because they gave up at learning much earlier on and this level of education is beyond them. They just fool around because they are essentially trapped in an institution where they don't belong, and taking down the standards of the whole system with them.
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I feel a bit better now.
If I could ask of anything, just 1 thing to change in Schools. I'd make it 100x easier to expel or move Neds/Chavs who do nothing but distrupt lessons and don't want to learn anyway. Most trouble pupils leave at 4th year, but thats 4 years of distruption too many. Its near impossible to get through to trouble pupils, and when I attempt to help some trouble pupils to work I often face aggression/threats of violence which is obviously not tolerated but persists because all we can do is give them an angry talk.
Mentally disabled children get appropriate treatment in separate facilities, so should Neds/Chavs who don't do work. I actually believe that some of the pupils I've delt with CANNOT do the work because they gave up at learning much earlier on and this level of education is beyond them. They just fool around because they are essentially trapped in an institution where they don't belong, and taking down the standards of the whole system with them.
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I feel a bit better now.
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I don't think teachers are unpaid at all. In fact I think they're paid very well for the job.
I do however think they are over worked and have to work far far too many hours. ( I have experience of this as my girlfriend is a teacher)
The answer is to reduce the work load. I know my girlfriend would valve that much more than than extra money.
I think it also can vary by school. At the current school the out of hours work load is three times what the last one was. (She's currently trying to find a new school to teach at)
I do however think they are over worked and have to work far far too many hours. ( I have experience of this as my girlfriend is a teacher)
The answer is to reduce the work load. I know my girlfriend would valve that much more than than extra money.
I think it also can vary by school. At the current school the out of hours work load is three times what the last one was. (She's currently trying to find a new school to teach at)
Not at all. If you take their holidays into account then I'll bet there working week is far less than 40 hours even taking marking into account. In terms of pay it may not be the best but the hours tend to be socialable and the pension offered is very good.
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The pay and pensions are good. Too good for a public role I feel, however you're wrong about the hours.
My girlfriends starts school at 8, gets back at 5 then marks 7 till ten every night. She still has to work, through half terms and will be marking every other day over easter.
She gets 5 weeks off this summer. The same as everyone else in full time work.
Maybe it's just her mentalist head teacher. Always coming up with new ways to assess the kids.
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She's either not pulling her weight during working hours or her HT/DH are using her non teaching periods constantly, in which case she should be contacting her union or looking for a new job. I have never known a teacher to do as much overtime as you claim unless they're being poorly managed or spend half the day asleep.
I don't get 5 weeks off in the summer....
No, you get 4-6 weeks where you'd like it. Ever feel like work is taking it out of you and you decide to book a week off in a week or a months time?
Or would you rather be told you have to have it at certain times.
That just means you had a crap teacher who did very little work out of school hours.
Totally inefficient and good teachers work far far to many hours.
Having experienced a PGCE/Teacher from the other half as well I don't think they're underpaid. In some cases overworked yes, but then I know teachers who do the absolute bare minimum possible to scrape by, and get all the perks, and I know teachers who work themselves to death and love their job.
At the end of the day, it's a secure career with a decent pension and a decent salary scale. If you don't like it, don't sit through the absolute **** that is the NQT year and then start complaining.
At the end of the day, it's a secure career with a decent pension and a decent salary scale. If you don't like it, don't sit through the absolute **** that is the NQT year and then start complaining.