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And in a Hung parliament, they get the chance to have a say in the economy. That small power grab could very well end up being a huge backfire.
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And in a Hung parliament, they get the chance to have a say in the economy. That small power grab could very well end up being a huge backfire.
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Unless you're 13, it's irrelevent. You'll still pay full tuition fees as they'll say they'll phase them out.
Nicks overrated at the moment, simply because he's not 'the other two', and had an easy ride last night.
He knows he doesn't have to keep any of the promises and offered the moon on a stick.
Also, it got on my nerves how much he offered himself as the 'honest' party, that in itself sounded hollow and insincere. I can't believe so many have been duped by him. DC and GB both looked professional compared to him, in all honestly it should have only been those 2 up there. A third choice is destabilizing the country
He knows he doesn't have to keep any of the promises and offered the moon on a stick.
Also, it got on my nerves how much he offered himself as the 'honest' party, that in itself sounded hollow and insincere. I can't believe so many have been duped by him. DC and GB both looked professional compared to him, in all honestly it should have only been those 2 up there. A third choice is destabilizing the country
I am glad to see someone thinking the same. I was quite shocked how much the pundits and reporters were soaking it up.
like many I watched that debate without really knowinh much about Clegg and I was considering floating my vote to LibDem. All it has done is convince me that he and they arenot fit to run this country.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7595265/CEBR-raises-UK-growth-forecasts.html
Growth predicted to be higher under Tories than alternative governments.
Just as most of us suspected
Growth predicted to be higher under Tories than alternative governments.
Just as most of us suspected
I'm not really sure what to make of that though, because it says:
I assume that when they say hung parliament, they're referring to the Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition they mentioned earlier. But my issue is that between 2015 and 2020, it's quite likely that we'll have a different government, regardless of who wins this election.
I assume that when they say hung parliament, they're referring to the Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition they mentioned earlier. But my issue is that between 2015 and 2020, it's quite likely that we'll have a different government, regardless of who wins this election.
Well i decided to sleep on it more before making my opinion, so here is the updated version:
Nick Clegg - Nick's horribly overrated at the moment, simply because he's not 'the other two', and had an easy ride last night. He knows he doesn't have to keep any of the promises and could offer the moon on a stick. Also, it got on my nerves how much he offered himself as the 'honest' party, that in itself made him sound hollow and insincere. I can't believe so many have been duped and sucked in by him. DC and GB both looked professional in comparison, and it was obvious that his ideas would destabilise the country and although he's great on TV, his inexperience on running the country showed through.
Gordon Brown - Pretty much as i expected really. Question dodging and simply making up stuff about the Tories right there on the spot! Also his forced smile is very irritating. Still not acknowledging he ****** up the country. Case in point was when an audience member asked him directly about lack of funding, then he proceeded to throw-up the rehearsed line about how there was more money
David Cameron - I was a bit surprised about how nervous he was and it got the better of him. He never really shone as he should and he had so many great opportunities to put down GB and NC over so many subjects but never went in for the kill. His closing speech was by far the best out of the 3 however. He should have been a touch more aggressive and looked at the camera more. Feeling was he wasn't given good advice and underestimated how nervous he would feel. Also it was a great moment when he attacked NG over his whiter than white thing and asked about the missing £2m, DC face as he quickly turned to the camera was priceless :lol: he should have had more moments like that, it would have endeared him to the public more
Much love, good night
Nick Clegg - Nick's horribly overrated at the moment, simply because he's not 'the other two', and had an easy ride last night. He knows he doesn't have to keep any of the promises and could offer the moon on a stick. Also, it got on my nerves how much he offered himself as the 'honest' party, that in itself made him sound hollow and insincere. I can't believe so many have been duped and sucked in by him. DC and GB both looked professional in comparison, and it was obvious that his ideas would destabilise the country and although he's great on TV, his inexperience on running the country showed through.
Gordon Brown - Pretty much as i expected really. Question dodging and simply making up stuff about the Tories right there on the spot! Also his forced smile is very irritating. Still not acknowledging he ****** up the country. Case in point was when an audience member asked him directly about lack of funding, then he proceeded to throw-up the rehearsed line about how there was more money
David Cameron - I was a bit surprised about how nervous he was and it got the better of him. He never really shone as he should and he had so many great opportunities to put down GB and NC over so many subjects but never went in for the kill. His closing speech was by far the best out of the 3 however. He should have been a touch more aggressive and looked at the camera more. Feeling was he wasn't given good advice and underestimated how nervous he would feel. Also it was a great moment when he attacked NG over his whiter than white thing and asked about the missing £2m, DC face as he quickly turned to the camera was priceless :lol: he should have had more moments like that, it would have endeared him to the public more
Much love, good night
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I think Blair's obsession with America, Bush and the world stage was one his biggest flaws although you can't deny his genius in a way. He knew that New Labour was not destined to last and got out while the going was ok with a view to books, speeches and a job as a peace envoy to the middle east.
Let's face it, who here slags off Blair for the mess we are in ? It all seems to land on Brown and they are both as guilty as sin for dragging the UK further into the mire.
WMDs ? I think it is fair to suggest that the two of the most capable intelligence agencies ( SIS and CIA ) either failed miserably or any intelligence dossier submitted was tinkered with. Why do I suggest this ? Because there was not even a sniff of them.
War against terror ? Saddam's regime, whilst horrific, was openly hostile to AQ.
Human rights abuses ? See above. His regime is guilty of brutal suppression, torture and abuses but with that moral stance, where is the US/UK military build up to tackle Zimbabwe ? Myanmar ? China ? Syria ? The list goes on.
What makes Iraq so damned special that it warrants a huge military invasion and is in the interests of the US and UK governments foreign policy ?
As for Afghanistan, is the conflict there making British streets safer from terrorism ? Is it hell.
I don't like to say that because I support British troops 100% wherever they go as they are at the governments disposal and don't have a choice but the real reason that Britain is a terror target is largely based on one factor and it is that our foreign policy is awful.
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It will be interestig to see if Nick Clegg can make the Lib Dems more successful electorally than Charles Kennedy.
Look, government under Labour has been terrible, government under the Tories was terrible so lets give Nick and his party a chance to see if they can make a difference.
We all know what Labour and the Tories are like when in power.
I will definitely be giving the Liberal Dems my vote. I want to see change. I don't want the same old bad policies again and again as delivered by Labour and the Tories.
We all know what Labour and the Tories are like when in power.
I will definitely be giving the Liberal Dems my vote. I want to see change. I don't want the same old bad policies again and again as delivered by Labour and the Tories.
My conclusions from last night only confirmed what I knew already.
Cameron is an insincere slime ball, Brown can't deviate from his script (repeat when necessary) and Clegg can say what he likes because he's never going to get into power (also Vince Cable would do a better job).
I still think the Conservatives plans to pull public funding will send us back into recession but I'm not overly enamoured with Labour's recent history either. The Lib Dems have lots my vote with the Trident and Bank Tax policies and so I'm currently undecided.
Cameron is an insincere slime ball, Brown can't deviate from his script (repeat when necessary) and Clegg can say what he likes because he's never going to get into power (also Vince Cable would do a better job).
I still think the Conservatives plans to pull public funding will send us back into recession but I'm not overly enamoured with Labour's recent history either. The Lib Dems have lots my vote with the Trident and Bank Tax policies and so I'm currently undecided.
I'll do anything to get Labour out government. Gordon Brown played a huge part in the cause of this recession and UK banking crisis. Dragged us into an illegal war with the US. We never seemed to have middle-eastern terror problems before we became involved.
Wanna pump more money into the NHS, then start charging the Welsh and Scotish perscription charges like we have too.
Need more money in education, then again start charging the Welsh and Scotish uni fees. We have to also.
Vote blue, he's the man for you.
Vote red, then our country's dead,
Vote Yellow, a fine fellow, just too mellow.
Wanna pump more money into the NHS, then start charging the Welsh and Scotish perscription charges like we have too.
Need more money in education, then again start charging the Welsh and Scotish uni fees. We have to also.
Vote blue, he's the man for you.
Vote red, then our country's dead,
Vote Yellow, a fine fellow, just too mellow.
The CIA have consistently produced data that, time and time again, has turned out to be beyond wrong. Pretty much every piece of analysis they produced regarding the economy of Soviet Union getting stronger turned out to be massively incorrect, for example. And I believe that the whole imminent WMD threat was just scaremongering, there are far better, and noble justifications.
Well, one would be foolish to think that when referring to the war against terror, one is solely referring to Al-Qaeda. For example, al-Zarqawi (who admittedly didn't join Al-Qaeda until 2004) had been operating in Iraq, and had sleeper cells in Baghdad years before the intervention. Abu Nidal, whilst being the most wanted man in the world, operated out of an Iraqi government office, the Palestinian terrorists that killed Leon Klinghoffer (an American wheelchair user) by pushing him off of a yacht had to be released once captured, because they were travelling on an Iraqi diplomatic passport and had since been sheltered in Baghdad.
Well, we're mandated by the genocide convention to punish genocide, so you have a fair point regarding the likes of China and so on. By all means, let's do so, but there are the four standards that need to occur before a state can have it's sovereignty revoked.
Iraq just happens to be the front lines of the war against terror and Islamic fundamentalism. Do you really think we should have left it to Saddam to set the date for us to intervene? We know that he was violating the non-proliferation treaty and fooling about the nuclear weapons (may I refer you to a book called "The Bomb in My Garden: The Secrets of Saddam's Nuclear Mastermind" by Mahdi Obeidi and Kurt Pitzer), and that he regretted invading Kuwait before he'd developed the nuke (he did make a speech to that effect, but I've been unable to find a trascript).
That's fair enough, I've no real interest in trying to convince you otherwise and I should point out, I don't support the war. I just hate hearing the argument from ignorance (I'm not saying that you are), and that no good reasons exist when they quite clearly do.
It generally takes a little while for policy changes to kick in. Labour's economic policies didn't really start to kick in until 2001-2002, for example.
The short and long term benefits of spending cuts as opposed to tax rises to deal with deficit are generally accepted, and that is what is being reflected in the forecasting, as Labour and the Lib Dems want to raise taxes more and cut spending less.
Thats the problem with the voting public, its been drummed in to you by Conservatives and Labour that there is no alternative, but there is and it comes in the form of the liberal democrats, and yet to say "they can say what they want because they wont be in power" is complete BS anyway because they are the only party that has really detailed how they plan to pay for all of their policies.
If nobody knew anything about the history of politics in this country and hadn't been brainwashed by Conservatives and Labour for so long Liberal Democrats would win this election hands down based on their policies and detailing of how they plan to afford it.
But they haven't
. They haven't outlined anything approaching all their spending cuts and tax rises to move towards a more balanced budget. Indeed, it's virtually impossible to do so in opposition as you don't have full access to the information.No, they really wouldn't. Punishing economic success, scrapping nuclear deterrent and nuclear power, faux liberalism which is actually authoritarianism just of a different strain. I don't actually think the Lib Dems know what they are any more...
A bunch of socialists with a nuclear disarmament fetish from what I've seen so far.
Oh, now you put it like that, they've got my vote.
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