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GeForce GTX 460 might launch June 1st - specs

Plus it would be nowhere near an HD5970 in terms of performance.

And if nVidia aren't going to at least compete with it, there's no point in such a card.
 
Indeed, though then again you shouldn't doubt just how hardcore some greenboys support their good ol' nVidia. :p

Still, they'd be pointless in the grand scheme of things.
 
im so please this time round ATi canied nvidia, especially with nvidia`s mercenary tactics.

but even more so as time passess all the nvidia fanboys (i mean its sad enough getting like this over a gfx card tbh just like getting all FB over a toaster) have gone quiet, really they are not to be heard.

its great :)
 
You'll get called a fanboy for saying that which is usually what starts the nonsense.

Can't say anything that's not positive and all that. :rolleyes:
 
phill1978 said:
im so please this time round ATi canied nvidia, especially with nvidia`s mercenary tactics.

but even more so as time passess all the nvidia fanboys (i mean its sad enough getting like this over a gfx card tbh just like getting all FB over a toaster) have gone quiet, really they are not to be heard.

its great :)
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i went back to nvidia for a 8800gtx which was great, then i bought a lousy gtx280, which went back twice, the heat and the power usage???
thats why i went back to ati, and so glad i did,
so far cant fault this 5870
have no confidence in nvidia now,
460s available in june!
you cant get the melting as we speak 480/470s, hope the ice age hurries up to cool them
 
Guru3D are showing themselves to be quite biased towards nVidia.

They've got little credibility now really.
 
A quote from their fermi review says it all really.
NVIDIA regains the performance crown and is back in the saddle like a cowboy after a harsh shootout, riding its horse into the sunset
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:o

They took a lot of stick for that review, a few days later they were defending the 480's fan as not being loud and that all other sites were wrong about the noisy fermi.

http://www.youtube.com/user/hhagedoorn#p/u/4/ubNulVNCXT0
 
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What's with how far back they're measuring it?

And at that distance, it's horrendously noisy. Noise is something they rarely bothers me, but I couldn't cope with that, I wouldn't be able to hear the TV over that.
 
If you have a fermi in a case with good aircooling it is no different to other top end cards when gaming. If you have poor airflow the fan does ramp up and get a bit noisy. Its all down to the cooling in your case. If you run furmark it will also get hot and noisy but gaming seems to be a different story. At idle the 480 is silent.

The fan profile is seems really screwed on fermi. After a period of benching or gaming the temps of course rises as does the noise of the fan. However the 480 leaves it too long before the fan spins up so the card gets hot then the fan tries to bring the temps down which brings in the noise. If the fan spun up earlier it wouldn't need to spin up as much later on to bring the temp down. Another screwed up thing about the fan profile is that as soon as the gpu load drops down so does the fan speed. What would be far better is if they kept the fan speed up for say 20 sec after the gpu load had dropped to cool the card down first. If the idle temps are say 50c and your load temps are 80c and you stop gaming it takes ages for the card to cool back down to 50c. As soon as you stop gaming the fan will ramp down and leave the gpu temp at 70c and it will take about 10 mins to get it back down to 50c. I have never seen this before in any cpu or gpu. I think the fan profile needs looking at and revising.

I think this card will act just like any other card in terms of noise and heat if you have decent air cooling setup in your case. If you dont have decent cooling in your case then things will get a bit nosier.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
June 1st...
I'm sorry, when? Could it be launched any later?

Will it be a pretend/joke launch, like the 480/470 one?
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Probably not - I imagine like DM says they have been building up a stock pile of discarded cores that didn't make the grade for 470/480 which would otherwise be thrown out, instead they probably will sort them depending on what they can salvage and whack out a couple of new lines. I'd be unsuprised to see a 450 product with 288SP, tho they might arbitarily limit it to 256 as its a number the market recognises. The 460 might end up as a 320SP product tho - even tho it really needs to be 384, as IIRC someone said the majority of cores not making the grade had 5 or less faulty clusters.
 
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The highend segment is not where the "goldmine" is, it's ind the budget area, so it makes sense to make a card that gives a balance between price/performance.

I swapped my 3xGTX280 for 2xGTX470 and I'm extremely happy with it. Lower wattage usage and heat dissipation per card.
Compared to my HD5970xHD5850 it's runs a bit more silent albeit a little hotter, but nothing to worry about at all.
Also with further testing it became evident that my XFX HD5850 Black Edtion has a hard time following a single EVGA GTX470 SC card. A HD5870 would be the closets competitor.
 
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Unfortunatly thats not where these cards will be - this is just salvaging what they can from a problematic and faulty process.

The goldmine cores would be run off at a more economic configuration in the first place.
 
kylew said:
Not entirely accurate.

At current exchange rates

5850 -$300 = £200+VAT = £235
GTX470 - $350 = £230+VAT = £270
5870 - $400 = £260+VAT = £306
GTX480 - $500 = £325+VAT = £382
5970 - $600 £390+VAT = £460

Cheapest 5850 on OcUK is actually £10 cheaper than the reference price.

5870 is £3 more than US reference price. That's not to say I'm saying that makes them good value, but it's not a case of "rip off Britain" as people love to quote.

The gouging seems to be stuck on the GTX470(£310), 480(£446) and HD 5970(£496).

It's just a shame the exchange rate is so bad currently.
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Mate, did you read the post I was referring to? Were was I saying that prices of 5850 and 5870 are wrong? I think they are just fine. We pay £40 and £70 on top of the RRP+VAT prices of 470 and 480 respectively. Were was I incorrect then?
 
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