Poll: Mods, one last poll before tomorrow?

Who are you voting for tomorrow?

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 251 35.1%

  • Labour

    Votes: 78 10.9%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 316 44.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 71 9.9%
  • Total voters
    716
  • Poll closed .
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Andy_82 said:
I do have some sympathy with labour, for one reason, with the financial crisis and the bailout of the banks (which to tories apposed) what would have happened if the bailout didn't occur? how much worse a situation we would have been in if the financial system collapsed. We will never know what would have been the outcome if the Conservatives were in government during that period. Personally I think Labour have done a good job over the financial crisis. I'm not saying though that they've got everything right especially the deficet spending after they departed from the Conservative plans in the early 2000's. You can't blame everything on Labour. (I'm not a supporter of any party I just vote on who I think is best for the country and not what benifits me personally)
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I think the financial system has technically already collapsed, various measures and continued passing the cash around has created a short lived illusion that it hasn't.

For instance Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland probably are part of the bail out package for greece, yet greece could have to bail them out in the end.

The ponzi financial scheme is about to break the elastic. Gordon just made it to the election.

Where has our 200bn gone? Nobody will be safe from the future financial reality.
 
rmuir said:
Labour voter here, primarily to keep the tories out. As much as i admire the local tory candidate for his support of the nuclear industry in our area, i shudder to think what the cuts in public spending would mean for our region.
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Cuts are coming whether the Tories make them or not. The sooner things get back into a more sustainable order the better.

You can vote to maintain your artificial bubble if you'd like, it's only going to hurt more when it bursts.
 
joeyjojo said:
I read this a lot - I don't know where people get it from - because it's nonsense.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/europe-could-go-all-renewable-2050
http://www.pwc.co.uk/eng/publications/100_percent_renewable_electricity.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030

It could be done in 20 years.
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As I have said many times before it is doable, but only as a group (europe and africa) not as a single country.This is not going to happen in the immediate future. we need nuclear as a stop gap. And this is also ignoring increased energy needs.
 
scorza said:
Total rubbish. You can't trust Labour because they've done nothing to earn your trust based on the last 13 years of government. In fact based on past performance it would be sensible to distrust them until most of the current Labour cabinet have been long gone from politics.

You can't trust the Conservatives because they have a habit of screwing up the economy as well - 1992 and 1974 spring to mind. Maybe you can exclude Thatcher as she is rather unique and is far more infamous for screwing up society rather than the economy.

The only party worthy of any sort of "trust" is the LibDems because they haven't been in power for donkeys years so haven't screwed up. I use inverted commas because I don't think you can really trust anyone until they've earnt it, and the LibDems certainly haven't done that because they haven't done anything. It would be better to say that the only party you have no reason to distrust are the LibDems.
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I was just watching First Time Voters on BBC3. I was impressed by all 3 representatives on the panel but could someone tell me what the hell Miquita Oliver was doing up there with them? She's a TV presenter (and a poor one). What does she know about politics? She made a complete fool out of herself when talking about Brown and the x-factor debates.
 
Slam62 said:
I can dream can't I? Although I have to admit, the evidence is not hopeful.
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The problem is that socialism treats the economy and the government as one and the same, they aren't.

I just can't believe the size of the correction my brain is telling me we are headed for. I think some of the general public may just about be beginning to twig with all this Greek stuff in the news.
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I agree, there are going to be some very shocked people over the next few years because too many people fail to understand the nature of public spending.

I simply cannot see how the current expenditure (public and private) can be replaced in a fast enough time frame by private industry. So with one party we face a 25% armagedon now and then a other 75% down the line. Or with the other 2, 150% armagedon down the line.
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That's the essence of the conservative tax cuts that many are criticising. The only way to get through this is to increase the private/public gdp contribution ratio to at least 1997 levels, and ideally a much higher ratio of private contribution than that. To do that, we need to get as many businesses running from the UK as possible, paying tax and so on, and the only way to do that is reduced taxes and unnecessary regulation.

We may still have a double-dip recession, but the recovery will be stronger for it, and double dip + strong recovery vs long term stagnation is an obvious choice in my eyes.

What a fantastic choice. Revolution now or later then.
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The other question, of course, is what sort of revolution we want to have...
 
avec said:
Cuts are coming whether the Tories make them or not. The sooner things get back into a more sustainable order the better.

You can vote to maintain your artificial bubble if you'd like, it's only going to hurt more when it bursts.
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I dont know what 'artificial' bubble your referring to... but the bare facts are that the Conservatives are pledging somewhere in the region of £6bn of public spending cuts in the next year.

The region in which i live ( dumfries and galloway ) has, like many others, a dependancy on these public services for jobs etc. To savage the public purse in such a short period seems a tad reactionary to me. What also worries me is the little reported fact that a Conservative govt would also be, and im prepared to be corrected on this, considering a VAT rise to 20%.

There are a few things that the Conservatives say ( Europe, nuclear power to name two ) that I agree with, but I cant see how pulling so much money out of the public purse benefits the economy in any way, shape or form.
 
These politicians make me angry, they say the environment needs saving yet jet around the UK talking to old people about crap, then send me endless mail spam costin loads of trees.

After tommorrow I will not hear from any of them for another 5 years.

What is the point of voting and politics?

Please explain how any of these can make my life better? I'm 27 now and I cannot think of a single thing how they have influenced my life.
 
joeyjojo said:
Where does the money for a nuclear plant come from? Where does money for anything come from? Private investment.
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I don't think so, not unless it is made rediculously attractive by the initiating party. i.e. a government give away (more borrowing from the future).

Actually, have I been slow on the uptake? do the lib dems want to cancel the nuclear power stations just to save money? If so we are in a much worse state than even I thought.:(
 
Oxy said:
These politicians make me angry, they say the environment needs saving yet jet around the UK talking to old people about crap, then send me endless mail spam costin loads of trees.

After tommorrow I will not hear from any of them for another 5 years.

What is the point of voting and politics?

Please explain how any of these can make my life better? I'm 27 now and I cannot think of a single thing how they have influenced my life.
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Just spend a short amount of time voting for a party that is anti-state control, so you can get on with your life.
 
Oxy said:
Please explain how any of these can make my life better? I'm 27 now and I cannot think of a single thing how they have influenced my life.
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Don't be ridiculous.

Directly - school, roads, petrol prices, alcohol prices, alcohol laws, police service, hospital, rubbish collection...
And more indirect things than you could imagine.

Most of what politics results in is really very mundane, but not to be taken for granted.
 
joeyjojo said:
Don't be ridiculous.

Directly - school, roads, petrol prices, alcohol prices, alcohol laws, police service, hospital, rubbish collection...
And more indirect things than you could imagine.

Most of what politics results in is really very mundane, but not to be taken for granted.
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The best things in live come from man - individuals pursuing their dreams and not under the control of the state.
 
rmuir said:
I dont know what 'artificial' bubble your referring to... but the bare facts are that the Conservatives are pledging somewhere in the region of £6bn of public spending cuts in the next year.

The region in which i live ( dumfries and galloway ) has, like many others, a dependancy on these public services for jobs etc. To savage the public purse in such a short period seems a tad reactionary to me. What also worries me is the little reported fact that a Conservative govt would also be, and im prepared to be corrected on this, considering a VAT rise to 20%.

There are a few things that the Conservatives say ( Europe, nuclear power to name two ) that I agree with, but I cant see how pulling so much money out of the public purse benefits the economy in any way, shape or form.
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so you have a neighbour, he has some money that he has borrowed from the bank and the bank is about to reposess his house unless he pays it back. He however pays you to do things with the money and has done for years. What does he do carry on paying you until he loses his house and has no money and therefore can't pay you anyway, or stop paying you and try to get his finances in order and keep his house?
I know what I would do if I was the neighbour.

By the way 6bn is tiny in comparison to the real cuts.
 
slambo69 said:
The best things in live come from man - individuals pursuing their dreams and not under the control of the state.
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Couldn't agree more, though we are lucky in the UK to have really fairly minimal state control. Any less would be removing services that I like (like healthcare).
 
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