The REAL reason why they haven't been back to the Moon

[SexyGreyFox]

Ok Ok dont take it so personal man...go outside and breath sone fresh air ffs!

But the question is after being given the facts what do you now believe?

The thing I dislike about CT'ers is that they won't come back and say 'You know what, you have a point and I can see that point and now I've changed my mind on that matter' but instead they carry on regardless.
Magick is the worst by far, no matter how many facts you give him he is so narrow minded that he probably thinks we are lizards trying to trick him.
Just once I'd love to see Magick post "Yeah, you've changed my mind on that" but it will never happen.
Somebody in another thread yesterday actually posted 'I stand corrected' and I suddenly had respect for the poster.

 

[LOAM]

Get this you're gonna love it.
Me neighbour stopped yesterday to shoot the breeze whilst I was out in the yard. Told me about this Planet the 10th Planet on this long orbit that is coming back on 2012. Apparently they set us up last time round so we could Harvest all the gold for them. He went on to tell me that it was them that put the face on Mars to mark one of there kings.
next he went on to tell me about Denver airport the Swastikas, Underground stuff etc etc etc
I Love people.

Did you hit him with a shovel ?

 

[Infam0us]

But the question is after being given the facts what do you now believe?

The thing I dislike about CT'ers is that they won't come back and say 'You know what, you have a point and I can see that point and now I've changed my mind on that matter' but instead they carry on regardless.
Magick is the worst by far, no matter how many facts you give him he is so narrow minded that he probably thinks we are lizards trying to trick him.
Just once I'd love to see Magick post "Yeah, you've changed my mind on that" but it will never happen.
Somebody in another thread yesterday actually posted 'I stand corrected' and I suddenly had respect for the poster.

Its the internet, if you say your wrong you lose keyboard points ...

 

[Holliday]

The thing I dislike about CT'ers is that they won't come back and say 'You know what, you have a point and I can see that point and now I've changed my mind on that matter' but instead they carry on regardless.
Somebody in another thread yesterday actually posted 'I stand corrected' and I suddenly had respect for the poster.

Again though, the same applies if you reverse the roles.

Just like a CT would say 'aha that's what they want you to believe!' or 'if you look closely that photo has been cloned there or blurred here'.

On the other side, if shown a picture of a UFO I'm sure most sceptics would say 'Too blurry, probably a pigeon!' or even 'Too much detail obviously CGI!'

I will agree with you that CT'ers do tend to ignore any evidence thrown at them, as in a lot of cases they passionately believe what they think is the truth to the extent of blindness to other explanations. But then again so do a lot of sceptics.

If someone is willing to agree they have been proven wrong, as you say, a kind of respect is felt for the other other. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread on a link I posted about a possible FTL Communication Radio on Spirit. Commenting that it was a interesting read, and I too then respected this chap, not because he agreed with or proved wrong what I had said, but because he took the time to read it and not instantly dismiss it.

I'm surprised this thread is still going actually!

 

[JRS]

I'd be willing to listen to any well written, detailed, fact-based theory as to how the Moon landings were faked.

But there isn't one.

Because we went there.

And the same goes for theories as to why NASA have never been back/no-one else has tried to land yet. The only one that makes a single shred of sense is, unsurprisingly, the truth - i.e. it's too bloody expensive when you're on a budget like NASA's current one, which is barely enough to keep them in coffee and cookies.

 

[Metalface Mark]

Yeah but while the russians had some one in orbit the yanks couldnt even get a rocket to fly straight for more than 10 seconds before it went of course and exploded.

Von Braun was a hero and known to everyone,wheras his russian rival Sergei Korolev's identity was kept secret until he died,yes the russians did have accidents which killed hundreds of men in explosions which were only announced 20 years after....to anybody who is interested i recommend downloading and watching the space race in 4 parts,its very interesting and is not boring as i thought it might have been.

Not true.

The Americans could have launched the month before with Al Shepherd, but chose to send another monkey up before they put a human into a sub orbital flight, in the end, when Gagarin went up, Shepherd went up less than a month later.

As soon as NASA launched Gemini, they were then ahead in the space race and stayed that way from then on, the russians had a few notable firsts, 2 people, 3 people, but they were shoehorning them into old technology, giving the impression that they were more advanced than they were.

Thats the problem with people who have only partial information, they use it as if its fact, which is always easily debunked by people with a bit of interest and knowledge in the matter.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

On the other side, if shown a picture of a UFO I'm sure most sceptics would say 'Too blurry, probably a pigeon!' or even 'Too much detail obviously CGI!'

I think I speak for every sceptic on this forum when I say "We want to believe".
I would absolutely love positive proof of aliens, or we didn't go to the moon, or there are buildings on the moon, or USA destroyed the Twin Towers but we haven't seen any evidence yet.

 

[Tetsujin]

If you did that you would see how stupid these CT are.

Just because people don't believe in CTs does not mean they have not researched or questioned it. A common miss-perception by CTs

EXACTLY the same "reasoning" as religious types who accuse you of being "closed minded" for questioning their insane doctrines and not just blindly accepting them. Yes, I am closed minded because I looked into your fairytale and found it complete and utter hogwash. Yes. Clearly.

 

[Tetsujin]

I think I speak for every sceptic on this forum when I say "We want to believe".
I would absolutely love positive proof of aliens, or we didn't go to the moon, or there are buildings on the moon, or USA destroyed the Twin Towers but we haven't seen any evidence yet.

And again; EXACTLY. Believers/CTers (same difference) always try to paint it as though everything's 50/50, as though believing and not-believing are of equal merit. Well, I'm afraid, that's just not the case. Choosing to believe something for which there is concrete counter-evidence is not anywhere near on the same footing as not-believing based on said evidence.

Similarly here, someone is trying to make the case that choosing to believe a blur on a photo of Mars is a shadow versus choosing to believe it's a Martian are of equal merit; they aren't. We know that shadows exist. We don't know that martians do. Even were the photo so unclear as to be, literally, a 50/50 choice, it still wouldn't be 50/50, as we know one explanation to be plausible, and the other to appeal to the myriad psychiatric complexes of a certain subset of society.

Note that I'm not saying that any of this logic makes it impossible for it to be a Martian. I'm saying that if you try to argue that "it's as likely to be, as not to be" you are fundamentally Wrong.

 

[Holliday]

And again; EXACTLY. Believers/CTers (same difference) always try to paint it as though everything's 50/50, as though believing and not-believing are of equal merit. Well, I'm afraid, that's just not the case. Choosing to believe something for which there is concrete counter-evidence is not anywhere near on the same footing as not-believing based on said evidence.

Photo evidence is very open to interpretation. After looking at tons of photos of what people claim to be anomalies on the surfaces of other planets/moons It definitely becomes clear that some people see what they want to see.

Something which is clearly a rock, and most people will also see just a rock, they'll be one nut case out there who claims it's a Martian skull! or something or other. These kind of people don't really help the argument for other life out there.

I think the UFO phenomena on Earth is a different kettle of fish though. It's easy to claim a photo as hoaxed or photoshopped, but pretty impossible to disprove eye-witness accounts of such events, assuming you don't just instantly claim every person who has seen a UFO is loopy.

While I agree a lot of UFO sightings were probably normal aircraft/secret aircraft testing, the sheer number of sightings that have occurred surely has to give the UFO phenomenon some weight;

"According to multiple surveys over the last several decades and from different countries: ~8% of people think they have seen a UFO. Over 150.000 UFO sightings have been documented in the last 60 years and recorded in various databases, but the total number of UFO sightings is estimated to be in the millions. There are several thousand sightings reported each year, yet surveys show that only a small percentage of those who see a UFO report the sighting." - http://www.hyper.net/ufo/summary.html

But hey, we all have different opinions and different interests, if anything it's just really interesting to read about

 

[JRS]

Not true.

The Americans could have launched the month before with Al Shepherd

Yep. The previous flight had thrown up enough 'funnies' that they thought another test flight was necessary.

The fact does remain that NASA was nowhere near ready to send an astronaut up for an orbital flight (as opposed the suborbital 'lob shots' that Shepherd and Grissom flew). But once Gemini got into the swing of things the US started leaving the Soviet space program behind. Sergei Korolyov's ill health and subsequent death, no doubt mostly caused by his imprisonment during Stalin's purges, pretty much trashed the Soviet effort. He was the only man they had who could blow through all the red tape and push the program forward.

 

[Glaucus]

But hey, we all have different opinions and different interests, if anything it's just really interesting to read about

It does, but they are UFOs there is no weight in the sightings to suggest ET involvement. Especially when you start looking at it in more detail.

Why do most sightings of ball lightning happen around earthquakes. Is it that ETs engines cause earth quakes. Or is it that earthquakes cause some phanomina in certain conditions, that we of yet do not understand. Which one is more likely.

 

[TipTop]

Why do most sightings of ball lightning happen around earthquakes.

According to Josef Peer and Alexander Kendl of the University of Innsbruck, there is in fact no such thing as ball lightning in reality. Rather, powerful magnetic fields created by ordinary lightning affect the brains of humans nearby so that they see things which aren't there.

According to Peer and Kendl's calculations, a certain type of long-lasting repetitive lightning strike emits magnetic fields very similar to those used in transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) - a medical technique use to hotwire activity in the brain.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/19/ball_lightning_actually_magno_brain_images/

 

[Metalface Mark]

It does, but they are UFOs there is no weight in the sightings to suggest ET involvement. Especially when you start looking at it in more detail.

Why do most sightings of ball lightning happen around earthquakes. Is it that ETs engines cause earth quakes. Or is it that earthquakes cause some phanomina in certain conditions, that we of yet do not understand. Which one is more likely.

Theres also a huge increase in UFO sightings when theres AAA UFO movies out, when Independance Day was out, 5x as much sightings as usual were reported in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8205424.stm

 

[PhillyDee]

I once saw a documentary about lightning, and it did mention Ball lightning. They recreated it using submarine batteries, but it was incredibly short lived. I myself have seen it.

 

[Angilion]

Faking a vacuum,why is the flag blowing around then if there is a vacuum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CpNoI4WGc&feature=related
1m 50 secs in

It isn't blowing around. If you move a flag in a vacuum and in low mavity by, for example, working a flagpole into the ground, the flag continues moving for quite some time afterwards and moves very differently to how it would on Earth. Why wouldn't it?

This is another example of what I referred to - people not understanding the conditions on the moon's surface. That video would indicate fakery in the conditions on Earth. Those are the only conditions we are used to, so we consider everything in the framework of those conditions. That's fine for things on Earth, but not on the moon. Different conditions, different things happen.

 

[Angilion]

What about the shadows also in this vid?There all mathematically out
Bedtime for me, continue tomorrow nite all.

What do you mean by "mathematically out"?

Are you suggesting it was CGI? Bear in mind that it was 1969. Also, no-one with the required skill would have botched CGI by getting the shadows wrong.

 

[JRS]

I've noted before that there seems to be this arrogance amongst Hoax Believers that they are oh-so smart and have noticed all these dumb mistakes made by dumb ol' NASA trying to fake the Apollo missions. Which is really quite funny, considering that HB's are constantly making mistakes, bad assumptions, ignoring evidence and generally getting pretty much everything wrong.

 

[agnes]

I am now convinced...

That there are some serious idiots out their lol.

ags

 

[Tetsujin]

I've noted before that there seems to be this arrogance amongst Hoax Believers that they are oh-so smart and have noticed all these dumb mistakes made by dumb ol' NASA trying to fake the Apollo missions. Which is really quite funny, considering that HB's are constantly making mistakes, bad assumptions, ignoring evidence and generally getting pretty much everything wrong.

... and yet never updating their world view or "beliefs" when demonstrated such.

I am now convinced...

That there are some serious idiots out their lol.

ags

> That there are some serious idiots out their lol.
> some serious idiots out their
> their

Oh, the ironing!