Apple is now bigger than Microsoft

KoR said:
Surely Apple have more to fear from cloud computing than MS. Yes, applications and some storage may move to the cloud, but corporations will still keep their core infrastructure (i.e. servers, etc.) within their own environments. So MS will carry on with their server and licensing revenue (not sure what % of their revenue is based on this, but would have thought it was significant).

With more being done on the cloud, hardware will become less relevant (i.e. cheaper hardware will do the job just as well) which will ultimately hit Apple more.
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The question is, how do you access the cloud? For sure, a lot of people will use ordinary desktop and laptop PCs, but mobile computing is becoming increasingly important - here Apple have a massive advantage with the iPad and to a lesser extent, the iPhone.
 
I have a expesnive phone on pay and go (W995)

£300 for a phone that does qualify as expensive.

I also have free texts and internet for £15 per month :) on O2

so how much do you pay per month for your iphone
 
Cuchulain said:
Even though a cheaper android handset is more powerful ...
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more powerful? its a phone... as long as you can play music, GPS, make calls and have some basic other apps how much power do you want?

the iphone looks really nice that sells it to 50% of the people, personally I like the onscreen keyboard, i almost never press the wrong key, when using some of the other smart phones I keep getting the wrong key (I do admit having fat fingers)
 
Apple, HTC, Google all make good products, that's why they are in the market and that's why you see the tech advancing. Look what happened when Microsoft weren't being challenged, the Tech stagnated, look at when Intel were the only choice, tech stagnated, remember when Internet Explorer was the only choice, it stagnated. Choices are good for the consumer, it drives down prices, drives forward tech. If Apple hadn't pushed out their original iphone, do you think we'd have the choice now on phones?

I find it funny to see people who don't own an Apple product, or who don't own a Microsoft product flame each other. Without their opposites we'd all be using a really buggy, expensive option with no alternative. Do yourselves a favour, just use what you want to use and to hell with stupid fan boy attitudes.
 
AMG said:
I have a expesnive phone on pay and go (W995)

£300 for a phone that does qualify as expensive.

I also have free texts and internet for £15 per month :) on O2

so how much do you pay per month for your iphone
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That's fair enough, I pay £30 a month for 900mins, unlimited text and internet on t-mobile for a iphone. Paid £80 upfront too. Which isn't too bad.
 
The misinformation in this thread is sad.

Someone comparing a XEON quad core to a e6600 and people spouting random facts because they feel the need to defend a platform like it's their second child.

Windows has been around giving itself away to OEMs and has made it's millions through business/bulk licensing. Apple dropped the ball on this, and it took them 10 years to claw back any form of "brand" that people would trust.

In that time Windows established itself as the dominant market and thus, the developers flocked to it.

Apple is making money in other areas (iPhone OS) and Microsoft are playing catchup. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Android figures in the US right now. Apple sell on one device and ONE carrier. Android sells on multiple carriers and god knows how many SKUs. I'd be interested in EU figures..

That's not to say that Android can be discounted, I think the hardware is solid but until developers move from the App store then it's always going to be seen as the geeky alternative.

I'll also point out that the windows subforum was created way back. The Apple subforum was only made in 2008/2009 IIRC, so comparing how many posts vs. the reliability of the hardware is madness.
 
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scorza said:
The question is, how do you access the cloud? For sure, a lot of people will use ordinary desktop and laptop PCs, but mobile computing is becoming increasingly important - here Apple have a massive advantage with the iPad and to a lesser extent, the iPhone.
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If cloud does kick off it will most likely be a micro OS's with a browser and vnc client of some kind. The hardware/software will be come irrelevant.
Google already have an OS in development for this sort of thing and all it will need is a fancy packaged hardware front end.
Essentially it falls down to the server software/hardware, something apple is lacking in significantly.
 
iPhone 3G here.

I pay £20 a month for 600 minutes, 1200 messages, unlimited data, cloud Wi-fi access and visual voicemail. Wouldn't change my tariff for the world :)
 
nex20 said:
That's fair enough, I pay £30 a month for 900mins, unlimited text and internet on t-mobile for a iphone. Paid £80 upfront too. Which isn't too bad.
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na that isnt , that fairly normal for iphone traiff

although i had to pay £300 for my phone plus top up etc, but I m not locked into using the same for for x amount of months.

also i wish I got a HTC sometimes this thing is annoying to use the internet on (small screen)
 
EVH said:
iPhone 3G here.

I pay £20 a month for 600 minutes, 1200 messages, unlimited data, cloud Wi-fi access and visual voicemail. Wouldn't change my tariff for the world :)
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You fail to add how much you paid for the phone ;) as that tarrif is barley more than a new iPhone
 
EVH said:
iPhone 3G here.

I pay £20 a month for 600 minutes, 1200 messages, unlimited data, cloud Wi-fi access and visual voicemail. Wouldn't change my tariff for the world :)
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Was that the original contract price or the revised one after original contract is completed?
 
EVH said:
Apple is making money in other areas (iPhone OS) and Microsoft are playing catchup. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Android figures in the US right now. Apple sell on one device and ONE carrier. Android sells on multiple carriers and god knows how many SKUs. I'd be interested in EU figures..

That's not to say that Android can be discounted, I think the hardware is solid but until developers move from the App store then it's always going to be seen as the geeky alternative.
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Apples attempt to control the market, this will come back and bite them hard! As already pointed out the Android market is growing quicker than the Apple market.

Apple have hit critical mass, they will have to make some major changes in the way they operate if they are to carry on the growth they have seen in recent years.
 
soundb0y said:
Was that the original contract price or the revised one after original contract is completed?
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Revised. The tariff wasn't around when I started my iPhone contract in 2007.

Neodite said:
You fail to add how much you paid for the phone ;) as that tarrif is barley more than a new iPhone
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I paid nothing. It was a paid upgrade as part of a birthday present :p#


LizardKing said:
Apples attempt to control the market, this will come back and bite them hard! As already pointed out the Android market is growing quicker than the Apple market.

Apple have hit critical mass, they will have to make some major changes in the way they operate if they are to carry on the growth they have seen in recent years.
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Give over. Critical mass?

I think you'll find the app store is still growing exponentially. It's the device sales that are slowing, which will soon explode when the iPhone rev 4 is released in 2 weeks. Android is growing quickly because more "average" people want a smartphone and I truly believe it's because more people want something like an iPhone but either can't afford it or just outright hate Apple (the fanboys).
 
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EVH said:
Revised. The tariff wasn't around when I started my iPhone contract in 2007.



I paid nothing. It was a paid upgrade as part of a birthday present :p
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So let me get this straight, you complain about misinformation and then try to make it seem that you have an amazing contract while forgetting to mention you were on a much higher contract which paid for the very expensive phone.
 
LizardKing said:
Not really in the case of MS, the cloud still needs server software and user licensing, MS OS's are now a very small part of MS's income and are becoming little more than brand awareness, they have long since moved on to licenses, even in the cloud you will still need a per user license.
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OS's are a SMALL part of MS's income- since when?! They are probably going to sell ~140m window 7 OS's in 12 months, at a conservative price of $60, which is $8.4bn in OS sales, nearly all of which will be profit.

Surely Apple have more to fear from cloud computing than MS.
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Possible. However there are millions of people that will follow the Apple brand, something that isn't really true for MS. If it comes down to who builds the best apps then it might well just come down to which brand people prefer-just look at search- Google is number one because people like the brand, not because MS's Bing isn't a good search engine.

I know that, which is why I said "primarily" indicating that they also make the other
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Lets agree to disagree on this one!
 
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