Better to have new tyres at the front or at the back?

[Joshy]

OMG at Joshy! What a LOL.

Please explain how my rears at to be replaced at 25k and my fronts at 37k miles given that all I do is drive on the motorway and my car is RWD.

K, THX, Bye

ROFL at Lucero!

Read the thread and understand that I'm being brand specific in my comments. PLOX.

kthxbiturbo.

 

[Joshy]

If you stop posting either questionable or just plain wrong things, there will be no need to 'call you up' on your knowledge. You do it on numerous occasions.

But you yourself aren't in any position to "call me up" (especially on Brand related things that are almost always the cause for contention). I have absoultely no problem whatsoever with taking criticism from the right people when I'm in the wrong. When Dogbreath(?) pointed out that I had got the rich running on start-up thing wrong, I threw my hands up, admitted and explained my mistake as 1) I made a very clear and obvious mistake and B) Because from his previous posts, it is very clear to see that Dogbreath(?) knows what he is talking about. As I've mentioned earlier, it isn't blatantly clear that you know much about cars past what you've read in WhatCar? magazine and absorbed from BMW forums, but yet you still feel that you're in a position question my opinions/findings of a specific Marque of cars that I work on for a living...

You are not a tyre fitter, though - you simply inspect tyres as part of a service and comment on them. You've no idea when the tyre was changed - you could see a car with bald fronts and nice rears but because the rears were changed a month before, for example.

A) I do fit tyres. I'm not a "tyre fitter", but I have been trained to remove, fit and balance and do it on a semi regular basis. I'm not sure how being a tyre fitter would put me in a better position to comment though?
B) It is quite obvious when recent tyres have been fitted to a car. The painted lines on new tyres can last for a fair few miles before fading.
C) Are you telling me that the majority of the cars that I've done tyre reports on have only just had rear tyres replaced?. I wouldn't have risked my neck on here if my experience was based on one or two times, this is a common occurrence which includes cars that have done very few miles are are almost certainly on their first set of tyres.

It wasn't just me who pulled you up, numerous people were utterly baffled at your idea that tyre wear is independant of driven wheels. It's very dependent on driven wheels, more so as power increases.

Since people have understood that I'm being Brand specific (and therefore their experience with BMWs, Lotus Exiges aren't completely relevant) nobody really has "pulled me up" other than you? Nobody in this thread has a car even remotely comparable to a RWD Bentley in terms of it's design, weight and typical usage. People have understood this... apart from you?

My Pheaton opinion was far more detailed than that and all comments made were completely explained at the time. Either go back and read them (Though my Pheaton experience and subsequent mini review were long before you registered on these forums so this may not be possible) or stop implying things that are not true.

The Passat comparison was about sense of occasion and other intangiable things not technical ability or technical makeup.

We discussed this in the past. You still seemed to insist that the Bentley is a completely different car, despite being told that there were technically very similar. I seem to remember you asking me if I thought a MKIV Golf was very similar to a Audi TT because they shared the same platform too .

 

[Wicksta]

I love how Joshy has completely changed his argument to be 'brand specific' after being made to look like a total idiot.

 

[Joshy]

I love how Joshy has completely changed his argument to be 'brand specific' after being made to look like a total idiot.

It was always brand specific? I thought I've made that painfully clear since Fox replied to my first post?

 

[[TW]Fox]

But you yourself aren't in any position to "call me up" (especially on Brand related things that are almost always the cause for contention).

I am when common sense (And the rest of the posters on here) show you to be incorrect.

As I've mentioned earlier, it isn't blatantly clear that you know much about cars past what you've read in WhatCar? magazine

Firstly I don't read What Car? magazine, and secondly you dont need decades of experience in a workshop to laugh at somebody who claims that on average, driven wheels make no difference to tyre wear.

It's also important to note I never claim any level of knowledge and am keen to ensure I stay out of dispensing opinions on things I dont know about or are not sure about - ie telling people when a car is running rich. You mention quite frequently you work for Bentley as if its some sort of validator to everything you say. This obviously puts your posts under inadvertent scrutiny from some and makes the slipups more obvious.

and absorbed from BMW forums, but yet you still feel that you're in a position question my opinions/findings of a specific Marque of cars that I work on for a living...

It's this 'FOR A LIVING' stuff that i find hilarious. You think you cant be wrong because you do it 'for a living'. I think the thousands of 'How inept are main dealers' threads all over the internet are enough proof we need knowing your stuff is not a requirement for working in a dealer...

A) I do fit tyres. I'm not a "tyre fitter", but I have been trained to remove, fit and balance and do it on a semi regular basis. I'm not sure how being a tyre fitter would put me in a better position to comment though?

To be honest I think the only thing that WOULD put you in a better position to comment would be as the owner of a Bentley.

Jez's Father, and also Moeks father, both own a Continental Flying Spur. It would be interesting to see what experience they have of tyre wear.

Since people have understood that I'm being Brand specific (and therefore their experience with BMWs, Lotus Exiges aren't completely relevant) nobody really has "pulled me up" other than you?

Haha, go and read the thread. Everyone expressed suprise at your comments.

Nobody in this thread has a car even remotely comparable to a RWD Bentley in terms of it's design, weight and typical usage.

Yes, nobody in this thread has or has access to a large, RWD 4 door executive saloon. Not even Moeks with the Flying Spur. Or Jez with the flying Spur and the S Class Mercedes. Or Lucero with the 1800kg 5 Series.

We discussed this in the past. You still seemed to insist that the Bentley is a completely different car, despite being told that there were technically very similar. I seem to remember you asking me if I thought a MKIV Golf was very similar to a Audi TT because they shared the same platform too .

We did discuss it, but obviously it seems this is something else you had difficulty comprehending. I'll summarise it again.

The Flying Spur is another league to a VW Pheaton. Despite the existence of common parts, it remains a different car.

A VW Pheaton is in another league to a VW Passat. It remains a different car, despite the existence of common parts.

A VW Pheaton often lacks sense of occasion and in terms of styling and the way it feels is in many ways a 'large Passat'.

I beleive all 3 of these statements to be true, and neither contradicts another. Note that the Passat comment was purely a subjective opinion about how a car FELT and not a technical comparison.

This is basic, simple stuff.

Everyone else gets it. Why don't you?

 

[Scania]

My Dad has just put 2 new tyres on his e39 and two on my Mums e46 and was telling me about his tyre fitter persuading him to put them on the rear rather than front as was his intention.

He (My Dad) seemed surprised that I said that was correct, to most drivers I guess it seems logical that nice new grippy tyres on the front is safer.....

As an aside, I recall my old e38's Steptronic being reluctant to change from 4th to 5th when it had low tread on the rears - apparently a common issue with steptronic gearboxes - replacing them cured the issue and has done the same for Dads e39.

On my e36 my rears are now getting to the point of replacement, and am looking forward to getting "the rear end of my car" back!

 

[Fett]

Yes, nobody in this thread has or has access to a large, RWD 4 door executive saloon. Not even Moeks with the Flying Spur. Or Jez with the flying Spur...

The Flying Spur is AWD. If you spannered for Bentley, you'd know this.

 

[DM]

He did actually mention Crewe built RR's, which are RWD.

Anyway he is right about Rolls Royce and Bentley eating front tyres, but quite what thats got to do with the chap wanting to know what wheels to put his new tyres on is beyond me.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The Flying Spur is AWD. If you spannered for Bentley, you'd know this.

All the Bentley range is AWD at the moment isn't it? Even so, RWD was specifically mentioned earlier. To be fair to Joshy he did point out that the Spur was AWD earlier.

 

[Fett]

All the Bentley range is AWD at the moment isn't it? Even so, RWD was specifically mentioned earlier. To be fair to Joshy he did point out that the Spur was AWD earlier.

I think all the Continental variants are, the Mulsanne and Brooklands are RWD, not sure about the Arnarge.

 

[Burned_Alive]

I'm definitely in the new tyres on the rear side of the arguement. However, I just needed some new tyres on the rear of mine and when it came back they had swapped the old tyres to the back and put the new ones on the front. Admittedly, the older tyres arent that old, probably 2-3k miles, but still thought it was odd. I guess it's due to higher wear rate expected on FWD.

Car: Peugeot 106
Garage: Selecta Tyre (Could explain it)

 

[rypt]

The argument for FWD is a hard one, technically you still want new ones on rear due to oversteer being "less safe", however with FWD that is much less of an issue due to often suspension setup making oversteer unlikely - so you may as well put new ones on the front.
It really depends on the car for FWD

With RWD, new ones on rear always, even for tanks such as the Bentley (even if they wear the fronts faster)

 

[Joshy]

I am when common sense (And the rest of the posters on here) show you to be incorrect.

No one is showing me to be "incorrect". You're all using your experience of completely different cars to try and apply a hard and fast rule that does not tally up with my personal experience.

It's this 'FOR A LIVING' stuff that i find hilarious. You think you cant be wrong because you do it 'for a living'. I think the thousands of 'How inept are main dealers' threads all over the internet are enough proof we need knowing your stuff is not a requirement for working in a dealer...

Doing it for a living puts me in a better position to comment on it than you are. No ifs, no buts. You do not own, fix or drive a Bentley and from some of the comments you've made in this thread you obviously don't have the greatest knowledge of the Brand. Likewise, I'm wondering how people in this thread are so quick to call me wrong when I'm speaking very specifically about a Brand that most people have very, very little experience of.

I don't care about how many stories you hear about main dealers, every trade has it dunces, it don't see why it should tarnish the reputation of everyone. I don't see you disputing the thoughts, opinions and experiences of OcUK stuff because of the nonsense spouted by the Monkeys in Purple shirts who work for a well known computer chain store.

Jez's Father, and also Moeks father, both own a Continental Flying Spur. It would be interesting to see what experience they have of tyre wear.

Your specific bone of contention was the RWD aspect?

Yes, nobody in this thread has or has access to a large, RWD 4 door executive saloon. Not even Moeks with the Flying Spur. Or Jez with the flying Spur and the S Class Mercedes. Or Lucero with the 1800kg 5 Series.

1800KG? So that's only 800KG off of the kerb weight of an Arnage T then? Yeah, that's perfectly comparable... I'm sure a 530D has the same weight over the front wheels, same usage profile, tyre pressures, tyres, steering lock and alignment figures to make it directly comparable to your average RWD Bentley as well...

I think all the Continental variants are, the Mulsanne and Brooklands are RWD, not sure about the Arnarge.

Arnages are indeed Right Wheel Drive . 04+ MY Continental range of cars are AWD.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Nobody here drives a KIA either yet if I told you a ceed wore its rear tyres quicker than its fronts they would still be able to tell me I was wrong!

That's before we get to the point that your brand specific nonesense is a product of your backpeddling, But plenty of people have quoted your comment about tyre wear on average so I won't do it again.

Bottom line - you made a foolish comment about how on average, driven wheels do not affect tyre wear. Rather than simply admit your comment was at best misleading, at worst plain wrong, you decided to argue until you are blue in the face that everyone here is wrong, has no experience, blah blah blah.

 

[Joshy]

That's before we get to the point that your brand specific nonesense is a product of your backpeddling, But plenty of people have quoted your comment about tyre wear on average so I won't do it again.

I've been "backing peddling" since my first reply to your post then? .

I made it clear that I was being brand specific since the very start of this "discussion".

 

[[TW]Fox]

If, as you point out, nobody here knows anything about Bentley, drives a Bentley, etc etc, why would you be 'brand specific'? What possible use would information relating only to certain £200,000 cars be? Why post such information?

 

[Joshy]

If, as you point out, nobody here knows anything about Bentley, drives a Bentley, etc etc, why would you be 'brand specific'? What possible use would information relating only to certain £200,000 cars be? Why post such information?

Maybe because YOU "pulled me up" on it?

Now who's back-peddling?

 

[[TW]Fox]

And countless other people!

We won't ever get anywhere with this because most of us think you are wrong but cannot prove it because we dont actually have a Bentley, and you think you are right but cannot prove it because you don't have a Bentley either.

You do seem to think a heavy engine over the front of the car is some sort of rarity, though. What do you think the V12 in an S600 weighs? Why doesnt an S600 wear its fronts out quicker than its rears?

 

[Joshy]

And countless other people!

From what I can see, other people got involved because it wasn't blatantly clear to them that I was being brand specific with my comments. It seems that only you knew right from the get go that I was referring specifically to Bentleys, but you still kept on disputing my claims.

You do seem to think a heavy engine over the front of the car is some sort of rarity, though. What do you think the V12 in an S600 weighs? Why doesnt an S600 wear its fronts out quicker than its rears?

There are more factors than just weight to consider when it comes to tyre wear, just like there are more factors to consider than just the driven wheels...

 

[DM]

And countless other people!

We won't ever get anywhere with this because most of us think you are wrong but cannot prove it because we dont actually have a Bentley, and you think you are right but cannot prove it because you don't have a Bentley either.

You do seem to think a heavy engine over the front of the car is some sort of rarity, though. What do you think the V12 in an S600 weighs? Why doesnt an S600 wear its fronts out quicker than its rears?

Because an S600 does not have the massive lock Bentley and Rolls Royce have, they scrub front tyres off horribly.

This is a fact, my business partner has a Continental GT and HR Owen explained that as being the major killer for his front tyres.