Commuters suffering prolonged as NAO says no to more rail capacity
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Ohh what a great idea, how about they make us hang onto the outside of the train as well?
For anyone that commutes into London during rush hour, you will know how bad it is.
For anyone that commutes into London during rush hour, you will know how bad it is.
Just to give some figures to back this up...
In a time of public frugality, it's clear where the money should be going.
I think it's the fragmented way in which the rail network is run in this country, rather rail it's self being an unsustainable mode of transport.
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I stopped reading when i read this. Screams ignorant fool tbh. If you dont read the daily mail you should know better!! What would any other pm have done? No matter who was in, the problem of the economy would have been huge. Now your going to say he spent foolishly during the boom years, i agree.
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Your figures show that, officially, the benefit of investing in Heavy Rail is classified as 'High'.
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Oh no, my heart bleeds for all the bankers commuting to london that'll have to stand up for an hour. In opposite land.
Public transport is crap, deal with it. You'll always be lumped into a smelly metal box with people you'd rather weren't there breathing up all the good air in the carriage.
Public transport is crap, deal with it. You'll always be lumped into a smelly metal box with people you'd rather weren't there breathing up all the good air in the carriage.
Why is that video entitled "Chinese train" (albeit misspelt) when they are quite clearly speaking Japanese?
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That happens in Japan, not China.
Imo, you can cut money on everything, except Infrastructure, Education and Safety, these 3 things should constantly be improved. Cutting money to infrastructure will end up damaging the country more in the future. Rather have those 3 things than social security.
I'm not a banker - there is actually more than just banking that goes on in London believe it or not
Just that the bankers ruin it for everyone.The point is that this government wants swingeing public spending cuts, and thinks private sector businesses will grow to fill the void. However, is private sector business going to grow if their employees can't get to work because there's no train service? Is any private money going to invest in this country when we don't have a modern public transport service fit for the 21st century?
Roads are important too, we need both a top class road and rail network for our economy to realise its potential.
There is a train service.
An obscenely priced service.
If I'm spending time at any London clients I spend £300 / month on a ticket to stand in a sweatbox for 45 minutes. If I have to get into the office instead, i spend £51 / month to travel an hour and a half by bus which is a nice quiet relaxing experience, even at rush hour!
If Arriva can make a monthly bus pass that allows me to cross half of the county with unlimited usage that cheap, how come Chiltern Railways have to charge such an extortionate amount to make us stand armpit to armpit like sardines in roasting heat and broken aircon?
If I'm spending time at any London clients I spend £300 / month on a ticket to stand in a sweatbox for 45 minutes. If I have to get into the office instead, i spend £51 / month to travel an hour and a half by bus which is a nice quiet relaxing experience, even at rush hour!
If Arriva can make a monthly bus pass that allows me to cross half of the county with unlimited usage that cheap, how come Chiltern Railways have to charge such an extortionate amount to make us stand armpit to armpit like sardines in roasting heat and broken aircon?
If its too expensive for you why not use your car instead? Seems like a no brainer really.
I wonder what the cost of running a train service is versus the cost of running an under-used bus service?
Like it or not, the railways are now a private enterprise. Supply and demand basics guys - demand is obviously outstripping supply, so.. increase price.
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It's a damn sight cheaper than running a car, plus I'd have to get one of those pesky licence things.
I didn't say it was too expensive for me, I just said it was expensive.
What they should actually do is stop giving poor people money to stay poor, and subsidise the people who actually earn money to pay tax. Poor people should get a real job or starve, social care is foolish expenditure with no return!
Do those figures actually mean anything at all? I don't see how you can attribute a blanket 'efficiency' figure on different means of transport when for each particular area the demographics and geography will mean wildly different levels of expenditure and usage.
For example roads and cars in cities suck horribly, whereas trains provide a pretty damn efficient way of getting around, which is clearly going to be far more beneficial in investing then spending an assload of money connecting little villages in the Scottish Highlands where roads would do a better job.
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Are you suggesting I don't have a brain? Or is it just that some of us will never get that choice?
Of course, there's always a taxi. I wonder how much Access to Work (a Govt.-funded scheme) will be willing to pay out on that. Any bets on the cost/benefit ratio?
As Rich_L handily points out, a national cost/benefit ratio is a nonsense. See what happens next time there's a tube strike.
All that said, in a time of austerity even I can accept there have to be cuts, and that they're going to affect me. Luckily I'm OK with transport for as long as I have my current job. How long that will last is anyone's guess, but hopefully as long as possible.
PS - I'm generally happy with the rail service. It's far from perfect, but it's also much better than it used to be (except for the price, obviously).
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