To be fair, I accept his general point that poor customer service is not a rarity nor confined to the public sector. I've certainly experienced plenty of poor customer service myself from various private companies over the years. (Within those same companies some staff were poor, others were very good.)
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To be fair, I accept his general point that poor customer service is not a rarity nor confined to the public sector. I've certainly experienced plenty of poor customer service myself from various private companies over the years. (Within those same companies some staff were poor, others were very good.)
When looking at public sector workers you always need to look at the management / ministers first.
In the private sector initiative is often rewarded, in the public sector it is often frowned upon. Private sector can pick and choose its customers (some just arent worth the hassle) Public sector has to be all inclusive.
There are good for nothings in both the private and public sector. Generally the management and incentives for excellence are far better in the private sector than in the public sector.
In the private sector initiative is often rewarded, in the public sector it is often frowned upon. Private sector can pick and choose its customers (some just arent worth the hassle) Public sector has to be all inclusive.
There are good for nothings in both the private and public sector. Generally the management and incentives for excellence are far better in the private sector than in the public sector.
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I don't have a solution, I was pointing out that it will have a negative impact on those in this sector.
If your employer suddenly declared that your pay was to be frozen for two years, yet your bills and living costs continued to rise would you be happy?
If the other option was being made redundant I know which one I would choose. Unfortunately I didn't get to choose.
No I'm not but this has been the case for many in the private sector year on year for a long while. Neither of my last two employers (private sector) have offered a cost of living increase anually or a tiered pay structure based on years in the job. All pay rises are performance based and even then they are pretty thin on the ground even for those performing well, welcome to the real world it's hard live with it.
I don't have a solution, I was pointing out that it will have a negative impact on those in this sector.
If your employer suddenly declared that your pay was to be frozen for two years, yet your bills and living costs continued to rise would you be happy?
Nobody expects them to be happy, but they should be thankful that they have a job at all. Certainly they have no right to be angry or to feel hard done by. The public sector has expanded too much under Labour and its size and cost simply cannot be sustained.
I haven't had a rise this year and probably won't get one next year, am I happy? no, but I also understand it's necessary else I and others could be out of a job like some of the workforce at other branches
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Because I value my dignity to much to get a job only fit for a ****.
I'd rather support our real industry.
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Exactly. I work in the Fire Service (although not a fireman) and they don't all magically get promoted to the higher echelons and they don't sit around playing pool all day!
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Do you not work in a supermarket? If doing that job is For ****'s what does that make people who steal from shops like yourself?
We did have a pay freeze for two years and then was made redundant as they shipped our work off to China. I know exactly how it feels as do many many private sector employees for the past couple of years. It is time the public sector shared in the pain, end of.
Something bad happened to me and I want bad things to happen to other people to make me feel beter. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
Fixed for you.
He is right, even if cossetted public sector workers don't want to admit it.
Thats big of you, saying someone is whinging when they have been made unemployed. I think a pay freeze is much more preferable and something I would have taken or even a pay cut.
I think you are out of order.
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Did I say I was hard done by? Did I complain about my wage (although there are several shelved white papers that say we deserve more) or did I complain about my wage rise last year or the two years I will face with none? Stop bleating about the public sector when you know nothing about it.
You forgot about Firemen. Just last week I had a brick thrown through the front window of the appliance as I was driving to a house fire. I will never understand why we (and nurses) are targeted in this way. I can understand (but do not condone) the animosity towards the Police but why anyone else?
You might not have done, but many do. I know a fair amount, both from observation, dealing with the public sector and from friends who work in the public sector.
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Fo 'might have' read 'did not'. Okay then, because some complain about their jobs you decide that we all complain about benefits and such. Surely your view applies to the Private Sector also?
The fireservice is however a non-professional job which has more applicants than vaccancies so why should wages go up? 28K is already above the national average.
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Fire fighters don't start on £28k and last time I looked they go into burning building when most people run away!
Quite a few jobs in the emergency services pay around or less than the average wage yet demand a lot more or place the worker in a situation of danger.
Thankfully as an IT worker in the Public Sector I just sit on my arse sapping all the money from the hard workers in the Private Sector.
Fire fighters don't start on £28k and last time I looked they go into burning building when most people run away!
Quite a few jobs in the emergency services pay around or less than the average wage yet demand a lot more or place the worker in a situation of danger.
Thankfully as an IT worker in the Public Sector I just sit on my arse sapping all the money from the hard workers in the Private Sector.
You mean you're not administering and keeping key systems running that allow Medical Staff to gain quick reliable access to key patients systems such as patient results etc .....
Your giving us NHS IT workers a bad name
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