church, gays, and a blonde
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Oh for the love of...
Do you really need to be pedantic? It's rubbish like this that slows down constructive debate to the pace of a crawl and just wastes time.
I was not trying to define what 'your religion' is, I was assuming that you were a Christian, but as I said, I could quite easily have been incorrect. Yet, you didn't bother to affirm, nor deny whether you are in fact a Christian. Instead, you decided to argue the toss about whether I'm allowed to call you a Christian or not...
Oh for the love of...
Do you really need to be pedantic? It's rubbish like this that slows down constructive debate to the pace of a crawl and just wastes time.
I was not trying to define what 'your religion' is, I was assuming that you were a Christian, but as I said, I could quite easily have been incorrect. Yet, you didn't bother to affirm, nor deny whether you are in fact a Christian. Instead, you decided to argue the toss about whether I'm allowed to call you a Christian or not...
I don't think it was the fact that he was a Christian but more the fact that you described what you saw as Christianity. I think part of the problem though is you have a relatively narrow view of what you think Christianity should be rather than what Christianity is and it is all coloured by your quite militant atheism.
Christianity as a whole is quite a broad church with quite differing views on the bible. You have the bonkers KJV lot for example that consider that particluar translation to be the literal word of God compared to more moderate Christians who consider a lot of the bible to be allegory, story and divinely inspired rather than divinely written. Arguing from the former point of view puts you in a position of strength and so you ascribe that as "true" Christianity as it helps you win the argument. I find it quite odd that an atheist would take such a fundamentalist view of Christianity and ascribe it as the only true Christianity.
I will say again, all I know is what the canon preaches and says. I get told not to judge religion on it's fringes, accept that it means many different things to many different people, etc. I don't, I judge it on it's foundational texts, it's scripture, and yes, of course I'm to judge it on how it has effected/affected (have never been able to grasp the difference ) society and the world. There's nothing fundamentalist about my position, as it's based on nothing but observation and reason. My detest for religion is not coloured by my 'militant atheism', if anything, it would be the other way around. I'm an atheist, yes, but one could quite easily believe in God and still believe religion to be nonsensical (which it is).
And yes, I'm more than aware of the numerous denominations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, etc, etc, etc.
) society and the world. There's nothing fundamentalist about my position, as it's based on nothing but observation and reason. My detest for religion is not coloured by my 'militant atheism', if anything, it would be the other way around. I'm an atheist, yes, but one could quite easily believe in God and still believe religion to be nonsensical (which it is).And yes, I'm more than aware of the numerous denominations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, etc, etc, etc.
Yep many unaccepting jerks in this country.
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Lads,what started to be a blonde joke turned into a discussion about..stuff.
Calm down
It isn't a blonde joke though, she had every right to think gays wouldn't be allowed in a Church.
If he stepped foot in a Catholic church they would probably just hand him a choirboy's robe
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Well, I can see where she is coming from.
Oh how very homophobic of you
What is it pitchforks and burning torches round your way?
You mean they realised that their original set of rules for the boys club were deemed a bit harsh and not very popular with people, so they updated them to make everything a bit more PC with the age old caveat that God will forgive?
Go Jesus!
So you can pick and choose what rules to follow? Aye I know a lot of part time Christians like that.
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Oh how very homophobic of you
What is it pitchforks and burning torches round your way?
Settle down
Not everyone wants to be inclusive. It's just as wrong to force the acceptance of homosexuality on people, as it is for people to be homophobic IMHO.
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Your brother is what a devout christian would call "A Filthy Heathen!" ...but I'm pretty sure so long as it's not a ceremony being held for him it should be cool with god!
Settle down
Not everyone wants to be inclusive. It's just as wrong to force the acceptance of homosexuality on people, as it is for people to be homophobic IMHO.
I made an observation, nothing more. Viewing someone as the equivalent of the antichrist for being gay falls pretty well smack bang in the middle of the homophobic camp.
Did I demand he/she should retract the statement? Did I demand acceptance? Nope I made an observation and followed it up with a question.
Again I think you've misinterpreted MadRapper. I can't read anywhere that he's said it isn't homophobic. Simply that demanding someone be accepting of homosexuality is as hypocritical as being someone that demands the opposite.
The Church is built on a great many hypocrisy's. Homosexuality is but one.