these are my 2 best shows ever.
got a box set of 24 day 1 for xmas and now i have watched them all inc. day 8.
also the wire is excellent, the writing is second to none.
after reading this, i will give west wing a try
The West Wing!?
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these are my 2 best shows ever.
got a box set of 24 day 1 for xmas and now i have watched them all inc. day 8.
also the wire is excellent, the writing is second to none.
after reading this, i will give west wing a try
Spot on. I was beginning to think I was the only one that didn't like it after Sorkin left.
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All I can say, has to be one of my favourite speeches of all time, and in the setting it is in, even more powerful..
"You're a son of a (removed word), you know that? She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What? Was that supposed to be funny? "You can't conceive, nor can I, the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God," says Graham Greene. I don't know who's (removed word) he was kissing there 'cause I think you're just vindictive. What was Josh Lyman? A warning shot? That was my son. What did I ever do to yours except praise his glory and praise his name? There's a tropical storm that's gaining speed and power. They say we haven't had a storm this bad since you took out that tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last year, 68 crew. You know what a tender ship does? It fixes the other ships. It doesn't even carry guns. It just goes around and fixes the other ships and delivers the mail. That's all it can do. Gratias tibi ago, domine. Yes, I lied. It was a sin. I've committed many sins. Have I displeased you, you feckless thug? 3.8 million new jobs, that wasn't good? Bailed out Mexico. Increased foreign trade. Thirty million new acres of land for conservation. Put Mendoza on the bench. We're not fighting a war. I've raised three children. That's not enough to buy me out of the doghouse? Haec credam a deo pio? A deo iusto, a deo scito? Cruciatus in crucem. Tuus in terra servus, nuntius fui. Officium perfeci. Cruciatus in crucem. Eas in crucem!"
"You're a son of a (removed word), you know that? She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What? Was that supposed to be funny? "You can't conceive, nor can I, the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God," says Graham Greene. I don't know who's (removed word) he was kissing there 'cause I think you're just vindictive. What was Josh Lyman? A warning shot? That was my son. What did I ever do to yours except praise his glory and praise his name? There's a tropical storm that's gaining speed and power. They say we haven't had a storm this bad since you took out that tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last year, 68 crew. You know what a tender ship does? It fixes the other ships. It doesn't even carry guns. It just goes around and fixes the other ships and delivers the mail. That's all it can do. Gratias tibi ago, domine. Yes, I lied. It was a sin. I've committed many sins. Have I displeased you, you feckless thug? 3.8 million new jobs, that wasn't good? Bailed out Mexico. Increased foreign trade. Thirty million new acres of land for conservation. Put Mendoza on the bench. We're not fighting a war. I've raised three children. That's not enough to buy me out of the doghouse? Haec credam a deo pio? A deo iusto, a deo scito? Cruciatus in crucem. Tuus in terra servus, nuntius fui. Officium perfeci. Cruciatus in crucem. Eas in crucem!"
Have you watched The Shield? An absolutely awesome show.
No but I've heard it mentioned more than a few times, worth checking out then yeah?
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2nd favourite speech from The West Wing..
"I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean, Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing, while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tightass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits."
"I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean, Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing, while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tightass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits."
That woman got seriously wtfpwned.
Do people that intelligent really exist though
I mean can someone really come up with that on the spot!
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That's a speech I've seen in The West Wing and loved it.
President Bartlett sure can!That woman got seriously wtfpwned.
Do people that intelligent really exist though
Sheen is so good in that role if he ran for office I'd probably vote for him, regardless of his policies.President Bartlett sure can!
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Didn't some American TV critics say they preferred the fictional President Bartlett to the real George W Bush?
Didn't some American TV critics say they preferred the fictional President Bartlett to the real George W Bush?
who wouldn't
Brilliant series, even if it did decline somewhat after season 3, but still magnificent. Great cast, great writing (most of the time) - what more could you want?
I can't remember the name of the episode, but the one where Leo was at the grand jury (was it 'Bartlett for President' ?) was fantastic. And the end of season episode with CJ and her bodyguard? I could go on and on.
Dunno if it's fair to compare to The Sopranos, The Wire, The Shield - its a different genre. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy them all though
OP - if you've got them, watch them.
I adore all the characters but Leo is an amazingly well played character.
Credit to all the actors in this thought, highlight of their careers.
I don't find the dialogue unrealistic at all, love the banter and speed of the conversations. It feels all too natural to me.
Credit to all the actors in this thought, highlight of their careers.
I don't find the dialogue unrealistic at all, love the banter and speed of the conversations. It feels all too natural to me.
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The live debate, was doubly amazing, as it was actually done as a live debate, albeit an entirely scripted one, but still, the characters involved had to know their entire scripts flawlessly.
That for me was the trouble with the later series - nobody else apart from Sorkin seemed to know what to do with Leo. And seeing as he was, for me, the best character in the entire thing then it lost a bit of its shine. I still enjoyed the increased focus on Josh and CJ but I missed Leo.
Also, if Two Cathedrals is the best episode (which by far and away it is), any nominations for the worst? I'd go with The Long Goodbye, the one with CJ and her Dad. The West Wing doesn't seem to do CJ-centric episodes very well, Access (the 'documentary' about CJ) was rubbish as well.