Mondeo - Petrol v Diesel

4T5 · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:20

So a crap main dealer/mechanic was at fault then Not the car.
I don't know a Single mechanic that would change a cambelt without doing the pulley.

Janesy B · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:24

malc30 said:
So a crap main dealer/mechanic was at fault then Not the car.
I don't know a Single mechanic that would change a cambelt without doing the pulley.

Tensioner..

blueboy2001 · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:26

Depends what mileage you'll be doing and how long you intend to keep the car.

If the diesel is in good nick and is not exhibiting any signs of injector or flywheel issues, I'd take that.

If you want something to last you 3-5 years and not spend much money on it, go for the 2.0 petrol and make sure the chain is in good condition.

4T5 · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:28

Janesy B said:
Tensioner..

One & the same mate the whole kit is Cambelt, tensioner, Pulley, You change them all.

Janesy B · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:31

malc30 said:
One & the same mate the whole kit is Cambelt, tensioner, Pulley, You change them all.

You'll get an idler with most kits, you won't get any pulleys. Same thing really, just a different job.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:44

malc30 said:
So a crap main dealer/mechanic was at fault then Not the car.
I don't know a Single mechanic that would change a cambelt without doing the pulley.

Absolutely, poor car

. They insisted it did not need doing, morons.

Howard · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:47

Still got the car Fox?

Scania · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:48

Anyway, car C.

4T5 · 20 Jul 2010 at 13:49

Janesy B said:
You'll get an idler with most kits, you won't get any pulleys. Same thing really, just a different job.

Not for us lot round here mate, When we order a cambelt kit we get the lot delivered to the yard. I do admit to taking things for granted though & treat my mate Jim like a Guru for stuff like this but then he did work at Ford main dealer for 18 years & has run his Car/Van hire for maybe the last 15-20 year running Mondys & Transits.
It's more than likely he put them straight the first time they delivered & it's been the same ever since.

@Fox.
Was there not an oppurtunity to pick up a crash damaged low mileage & transplant the lump.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:08

Probably but its just not worth the effort really

Django x2 · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:09

[TW]Fox;16979510 said:
Car C because Car B will have a 1.8 SCI wont it? This is a direct injection petrol engine.

In the world of cars that wont break, direct injection is a bad thing.

You'd better ring Porsche then, and tell them they are doing it wrong

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:11

Lucero said:
You'd better ring Porsche then, and tell them they are doing it wrong

Care to show me a 7 year old 100k mile direct injection Porsche then? :confused:

4T5 · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:12

Shame you don't live local as that's a project I'd have gladly taken on as I Love bringing motors back from the death, Just look at my old Polow & other junk I've run.

Django x2 · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:14

[TW]Fox;16982554 said:
Care to show me a 7 year old 100k mile direct injection Porsche then?

Care to show me where you specified in your post that you were talking directly about the Mondeo and not petrol direct injections in general?

In the world of cars that wont break, direct injection is a bad thing.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:19

I never said there was anything wrong with it from a technical perspective (Infact from a technical perspective its excellent, the primary benefit being better fuel economy), but it's not as hassle free as conventional fuel injection. It's an additional failure point, especially on the earlier versions of the petrol direct injection systems - systems like Audi's original FSI, Mitsubishi's original GDi, Ford SCi. The injectors operate under very high pressure, are more complex than standard injection systems and cost more to replace.

The 1.8 SCi was Fords first ever attempt at direct injection on a petrol engined car in the UK.

Heck even BMW are no stranger to reliability issues as a result of direct injection. Numerous issues on IN WARRANTY N53 engined cars (The one thats just replaced the 530d had several replaced under warranty at 1 year old)!

What was your point again? Or did you not have one? Not really seeing the link between Porsche and buying an ex-fleet 6 figure mileage Mondeo, personally?

Bottom line: When buying a cheap car where reliability and longevity is the primary focus, stay away from cars with complex ancillery components if there is a more conventional alternative. In this case, there is ZERO reason to chose a 1.8 SCi over the 2.0 Duratec! None at all!

Django x2 · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:24

My point was, you can't generalise. If you're talking about the Ford, then fair enough. Direct Injection is hardly new and hardly presents issues to mechanics. The same technology has been used in diesels for years so the pitfalls are known.

What you should remember though is that anything Ford, from a parts perspective, is cheap to fix. Sure, this might cost more for the DI models but it's not going to break the bank, but yes, in theory, the choice should have purely been between the diesel and the Duratec.

How do you know this is an ex fleet car btw?

Janesy B · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:28

malc30 said:
Not for us lot round here mate, When we order a cambelt kit we get the lot delivered to the yard. I do admit to taking things for granted though & treat my mate Jim like a Guru for stuff like this but then he did work at Ford main dealer for 18 years & has run his Car/Van hire for maybe the last 15-20 year running Mondys & Transits.
It's more than likely he put them straight the first time they delivered & it's been the same ever since.

When I say pulleys, I mean cam verniers and crank pulleys, things like that aren't really service items.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:30

Nothing Ford is expensive to fix? Lol why not see how much a dmf is on a diesel - hint its more than the same job on My BMW!

I am guessing they are ex fleet as very few Mondeo are privately bought new.

Janesy B · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:34

Fuel Pump for a TDCI Mondeo: http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/F...a00d5695391b206d4ed08f95f8679bd29ae08a30&FIPU

£600 for a Turbo, £250 for a DMF etc etc

Compared to the Petrol engine, it's all rather high risk.

Django x2 · 20 Jul 2010 at 14:43

[TW]Fox;16982650 said:
Nothing Ford is expensive to fix? Lol why not see how much a dmf is on a diesel - hint its more than the same job on My BMW!

I am guessing they are ex fleet as very few Mondeo are privately bought new.

Do fleets hold on to cars for 7 years? E39 530i DMFs are what £250, so same price for the Ford then, although the BMW will be more expensive on labour no doubt.