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Isn't it legal to download the media if you already own it? Basically like a back-up. People could claim they already own the media. (Quickly go buy it).
 
Isn't it legal to download the media if you already own it? Basically like a back-up. People could claim they already own the media. (Quickly go buy it).

i thought so, but apparently not :o

say you owned a cd, its badly scratched and you dont want to damage it further and want to download it so you can listen to that cd on your pc/mp3 player without scratching your owned cd, apparently you cannot do this, its still illegal!
 
i thought so, but apparently not :o

say you owned a cd, its badly scratched and you dont want to damage it further and want to download it so you can listen to that cd on your pc/mp3 player without scratching your owned cd, apparently you cannot do this, its still illegal!

Its because you own the cd, but apparently have no right to the data present on the cd, :confused:
 
what you need is software that will accept 2 passwords (or more) only 1 of which gives access to the data.. the others give access to an empty volume...

how can they ever prove there was a 2nd or 3rd password....? you complied with the law, gave them the password..

Truecrypt :)

Fantastic, FREE, open source app.

Chumpit : afaik, the technicality they use is that it is supposedly illegal to "bypass copy prevention measures." That basically throws the concept of fair use out the window.

I know that's how it works in the USA, not certain about UK & EU but I *think* it's the same.
 
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Isn't it legal to download the media if you already own it? Basically like a back-up. People could claim they already own the media. (Quickly go buy it).

Apparently it is also not legal to rip your own CDs into MP3s or any other digital format. So I read in latest Pc PRO magazine.
 
Apparently it is also not legal to rip your own CDs into MP3s or any other digital format. So I read in latest Pc PRO magazine.

Indeed, despite the recommendations from the Gower Report in 2006.

They're quick to take our rights in the Digital Economy Act, but they still drag their heels on this.
 
So in fact all the people who are buying CDs/DVDs and ripping them to their PCs are breaking the law the same as as people who are downloading material from the internet.

Lets hope the solicitors don't figure this out, they'll be sending letters to anyone who bought a certain CD/DVD accusing them of ripping it to their PC / mp3 player!!!
 
So in fact all the people who are buying CDs/DVDs and ripping them to their PCs are breaking the law the same as as people who are downloading material from the internet.

Lets hope the solicitors don't figure this out, they'll be sending letters to anyone who bought a certain CD/DVD accusing them of ripping it to their PC / mp3 player!!!
Except they have no evidence of it, and either no or very very few cases have successfully been brought (not even won, just made it to court) against someone for just downloading. It's just the UK media industry getting overexcited because US legislation lets them rape consumers in court, UK legislation does not.
 
read somewhere that to fill an ipod with music it would cost 20-30k?
120 GB iPod = roughly 40,000 tracks (3MB/track) = £20,000 at 50p/track
if you bought the CD's and ripped them to your ipod it probably cost considerably more than that but obviously you have the physical medium as well.
 
120 GB iPod = roughly 40,000 tracks (3MB/track) = £20,000 at 50p/track
if you bought the CD's and ripped them to your ipod it probably cost considerably more than that but obviously you have the physical medium as well.

You'd also be a dirty pirate ;)
 
If he IS a thief and he's being taken to court .. surely that's a good thing?
He's not being taken to court.
He's not being charged with theft.
He hasn't stolen anything.

Threatening to take people to court unless they pay you an arbitrary sum for something you have no solid evidence they did, is not a good thing, it's a particularly shady legal practice in fact.
 
I actually received one of these letters. My response was obviously complete denial (which is the truth) and that I would be happy to see them in court and I would definitely be looking to reclaim all my costs plus any extras ;)

I'm awaiting their reply...
 
the nublet should have used a chain of proxies when hitting dodgy stuff.

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i had a friend at uni many years ago that received one of these letters from virgin for hitting some games from emule. he ignored it and carried on, received another listing a whole host of games, but just carried on. nothing ever happened to him and he still is at it though he now lives at a different address :D.
 
you are responsible for your connection though. and that will be in your ISP T&Cs


sucks that he got caught:p

No, you are not

http://beingthreatened.yolasite.com/


He's not being taken to court.
He's not being charged with theft.
He hasn't stolen anything.

Threatening to take people to court unless they pay you an arbitrary sum for something you have no solid evidence they did, is not a good thing, it's a particularly shady legal practice in fact.


exactly, its just a money making scam !
 
RapidShare wins important copyright victory in the United States
May 20, 2010

RapidShare AG has won an important victory in a copyright lawsuit against it in the United States. The case is Perfect 10, Inc. v. RapidShare AG, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of California (San Diego).

Perfect 10 is an adult entertainment company and a very experienced copyright plaintiff, which has brought many lawsuits against a variety of companies including VISA, MasterCard, CCBill, Google, Amazon.com, and Microsoft. Perfect 10 remains in a long-running battle with Google, Inc., over Google's search engine and other services.

Perfect 10 sought a preliminary injunction in the US to prevent RapidShare from hosting images that Perfect 10 alleges to violate Perfect 10's copyrights. Perfect 10 sought to discredit RapidShare and its business model.

On May 18, 2010, the court refused to grant a preliminary injunction, denying Perfect 10's request. The court ruled that Perfect 10 had not shown that it was likely to win any of its claims against RapidShare for copyright infringement or unfair competition. The court noted that Perfect 10 showed a lack of interest in self-help measures. Other than through its lawsuit, Perfect 10 had not identified any download links to RapidShare that would have enabled RapidShare's Abuse Department to disable access to the allegedly infringing files. The Court urged Perfect 10 to work with RapidShare to provide proper notices that would enable RapidShare's Abuse Department to address Perfect 10's concerns.

Christian Schmid, founder of RapidShare AG, said that "it is gratifying that the court rejected Perfect 10's motion and recognized that RapidShare does not promote copyright infringement. It is an achievement for us that this is also happening in the U.S. We look forward to increasingly emphasizing the major difference between RapidShare and other companies. RapidShare offers a valuable platform for cloud computing, does not promote unlawful activity on its website, and provides copyright holders rapid service in addressing proper claims of infringement relating to RapidShare users."

The company's Abuse Department has one of the fastest records for responding to take down requests submitted by copyright owners, uses a hash filter to block uploads of files identified as unauthorized, and has a policy of terminating repeat infringers in appropriate circumstances. In addition, RapidShare has taken legal action against third party sites that publish links to unauthorized material. More information on RapidShare's Conditions of Use is at http://rapidshare.com/abuse.html.

http://rapidshare.com/news.html


Will this lay course for legal return for home users then in that the companies show "a lack of interest in self-help measures"?

I mean, presumably the perfect10 company uses all those "you wouldn't steal a car" ads etc yet still let rip into rapidshare without trying to talk with rapidshare about ways to rectify the problem? Rapidshare themselves didn't abuse the law, they were used by other people who broke the law. Much in the same way a wireless network can be used.

Whats to stop someone getting one of these letters and using the non-secure wireless router story, then countering with you've made no effort to contact me to inform me that my address is breaking the law in this way so i can rectify it? The court specifically rules that perfect10 provided no evidence to rapidshare regarding illegal content being hosted before the proceedings were started, much in the same way as these law firms are doing with home users.
 
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If he did it, pay up and move on.

If not, then until the courts accept an IP address as proof of identity (which is pretty unlikely given how easily they can be spoofed), they're going to have a really hard time proving it unless they seize your hard disk and subject it to forensics. The cost of doing that will usually outweigh anything they'll get back in the civil courts so you'd be very unlucky for it to happen.

Just don't file it in the bin - there's no burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt with the civil courts so there's at least some chance the courts would deem it 'no contest' and find for the plaintiff. It's happened before.
 
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