The Human Race 'Must Colonise Space Or Face Extinction'

well one will have a code of dna that is not original i would guess, and no soul also.

so you'd be able to look up on a list and easily match it back. think bladerunner. but without them being metal droids!

they might attack us if they get mistreated. but can a clone ever be treated like an individual?
 
I've seen moon it's a crappy film and it doesn't apply as you can't just copy paste a whole brain full of knowledge.
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no i agree, you cant transplant a brain thats now what cloning is, thats being able to recreate thoughts and memories which is a step beyond simply cloning. the clones are actually pre packaged ready to go replicants as opposed to being clones.

but the principle remains, use clone, or drones for this off world work as it is dangerous to an individual but less so to a replaceable clone/replicant.
 
Andy90 said:
According to "New Scientist" - 24th June 2010, the nearest Brown Dwarf yet found is UGPS 0722-05, which was estimated to be 9.6 light years away from the Sun, but has now been re-estimated at 13.6 light years.

When I went to School, 9.6 and 13.6 were larger numbers than 4.2

The point I was making wasn't the fact that we should colonise the area around Proxima Centuri, but was in fact to show how long it would in fact take to travel to the nearest star.

By the way Brown Dwarfs are 'failed stars' - they don't have enough mass to sustain nuclear fusion.

Oh and one last thing, UGPS 0722-05 according to that article is the coldest brown dwarf ever seen, with a temperature of just 130 to 230 °C. And it's the dimmest: it emits only 0.000026 per cent as much energy as our sun, and this energy emerges at infrared rather than visible wavelengths. It would take 3.8 million of these brown dwarfs to equal the sun's power. It is about the size of Jupiter, but its mass is 5 to 30 times greater.
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I'm just about to go home, so I'll check the figures then - I do believe you're wrong. I'll apologise if not of course. I don't need a lesson in Brown Dwarfs from you, thanks though. I understand very well that it's not sustainable as a source of light/heat on a planetary basis, I was just correcting your assertion that Proxima Centuri is the nearest star.
 
Clones are real humans though, unless you're saying that they're only real humans if they were born in the womb?
 
well thats not too debatable, but what is a human? what is an individual? are the two things linked?

if you had an army of boys from brazil are they an army of humans, or an army of clones of a human?!
 
They're still human though, they eat, sleep, poop and die the same as a the rest of us!

The only difference being they're clones.
 
what is all this clone talk for, we already have clones, they are called identical twins. Surprisingly if you treat them normally they end up normal.

The fact that they have the same DNA as another human somewhere else in the universe doesn't matter one bit unless they decide to breed.

Unless they were genetically altered somehow to not care they would be human it would be rather cruel to treat them as a slave.

am I missing something?
 
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Khaaan! said:
(Quantum) Teleportation via entanglement actually is possible and has even been lab tested recently - only a matter of time (maybe our late lifetime?) before it is something much bigger!
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But this is pad to pad (ie sender to receiver) and is no different to turning matter to energy and then energy to matter.

What won't be possible is teleporting without some form of sender/receiver pad ... unless we can change the position property of the atom (ie where in time/space it exists)
 
Nickg said:
well one will have a code of dna that is not original i would guess, and no soul also.
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:confused:

Are you serious? You tell a clone from a 'real' human by the fact that they have no soul?

I'll put this to you - you have no soul. Prove otherwise, clone :)
 
well the soul bit was a bit tongue in cheek but given how we cant even accurate define a soul i think that is a misnomer of a question.

but given research into the infinitesamte size of the universe and how there are going to be identical version of me (and you:/) around the joint doign exactly what we are doing now, or soemthing slightly different, or even very differently. maybe we are all clones? or if there was no original are we clones at all?

its confusing in that respect.

but i think the plan would be to find the ideal human, clone him and then repopulate?
 
A clone is 100% a human being, sure they have the same DNA as another person, but that doesn't mean they will be anything like the person they were cloned from.

They won't speak the same way, have the same personality or even look exactly the same due to their upbringing, they'll be a completely new person.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
I'm just about to go home, so I'll check the figures then - I do believe you're wrong. I'll apologise if not of course. I don't need a lesson in Brown Dwarfs from you, thanks though. I understand very well that it's not sustainable as a source of light/heat on a planetary basis, I was just correcting your assertion that Proxima Centuri is the nearest star.
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List of Nearest Stars

A lot of people say that Alpha Centauri is the nearest star to Earth, which is incorrect. Alpha Centauri is in fact a Binary Star, Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B. They are estimated to be 4.37 Light years from the Sun

Proxima Centauri which is also a companion star to Alpha Centauri A and B is approximately 4.2 light years from the Sun - it just nudges nearer than the other two.
 
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Khaaan! said:
(Quantum) Teleportation via entanglement actually is possible and has even been lab tested recently - only a matter of time (maybe our late lifetime?) before it is something much bigger!
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isn;t that purely telepoting information (spin etc) and not physically transporting a partical.
 
Nickg said:
well thats not too debatable, but what is a human? what is an individual? are the two things linked?

if you had an army of boys from brazil are they an army of humans, or an army of clones of a human?!
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So by your logic identical twins are not human?:confused:

And they should not have the same rights as other people?
 
Andy90 said:
Proxima Centauri which is also a companion star to Alpha Centauri A and B is approximately 4.2 light years from the Sun - it just nudges nearer than the other two.
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Except that this states that:

'Though Proxima Centauri is the nearest bona fide star, it is possible that one or more as-yet-undetected sub-stellar brown dwarfs may lie closer.'

You've probably read about WISE (Wide Infra-red Survey Explorer). I found this excerpt very interesting (particularly given all the Planet X nonsense floating about at the moment):

'Kirkpatrick says that it's possible that WISE could find an icy, Neptune-sized or bigger object in the far reaches of our solar system -- thousands of times farther from the sun than Earth. There is some speculation amongst scientists that such a cool body, if it exists, could be a brown dwarf companion to our sun. This hypothetical object has been nicknamed "Nemesis."

"We are now calling the hypothetical brown dwarf Tyche instead, after the benevolent counterpart to Nemesis," said Kirkpatrick. "Although there is only limited evidence to suggest a large body in a wide, stable orbit around the sun, WISE should be able to find it, or rule it out altogether."'

So it's possible that a Brown Dwarf orbits our Sun, as a member of our Solar System. Cool :)
 
Tefal said:
isn;t that purely telepoting information (spin etc) and not physically transporting a partical.
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Makes for an interesting communictaion device though.

Didn't some bank test it over several kilometers.

Anyone know if it is theorised it could be used for such a communication device remotely possible.
 
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