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ATI should learn from Nvidia

RavenXXX2

RavenXXX2

RavenXXX2

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Rant on. One thing that plagued me and my 5870 was the powerplay downclocking in games like BF2, you would be in a jet and the clocks would go down and stutter hell would ensue, sure there are work arounds but why should we have to edit files, Nvidia on the other hand give you the option of disabling their powerplay altogether or for specific games.

ATI need to get their finger out and start putting more effort in to the drivers, this one of the many reasons why you get people saying Nvidia drivers are better than ATI's and have better support. Rant off.

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i personally find the nvida drivers easier to use as well i just hate how nvidia are trying to cripple ati with physix and just genrally buyin game makers to make things run better on nvida so far play to ati for making a better all round card just imrpove your drivers please as you are capable of big things like eyeinfinty and the 5xxx series so why not work that little extra on drivers ?
 
People need to learn the difference between "drivers" and "control panel". Their control panel is better, but control panels aren't drivers. Powerplay issues, while annoying, they're easily sorted by setting the clockspeed in overdrive, no? Especially with RadeonPro, it's easy enough to set up profiles just in the same way.
 
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When gaming I just use afterburner to set my clockspeeds on my 5970's. Just a small clock to 900mhz. And I have overdrive ticked in CCC. So far any game I've monitored on my G19, the cards all do 900mhz in games. Even when just sitting there. Only exception is the screen menus where it drops to 400mhz. Yet to see stuttering. And when back in windows, I just turn off afterburner and uncheck overdrive. I do all this automatically with a key macro. No problem with powerplay so far clocking stuff below 400mhz except on the desktop.
 
To be fair, don't you have to do that for each game you want to, so loads of times.

I install windows, install drivers, save a profile with overdrive settings with 3 different names, go to folder, change clock settings to my 3 preferences and I'm done, till I next install windows, as the settings will persist with new drivers.

As I've pointed out in many threads, its not really better, or worse, different, experience means on either side, the "fix" they are both fixes, they are both options freely available and easy to find out about, take a couple minutes.

Don't forget Raven, that to a degree the 6 month delay meant not really driver fixes, but different bios's, the default power saving states were changed in an update by windows, at that stage, 3 months after the 5xxx series launched, updating the bios for everyone wasn't an option. Nvidia also learned a lot from gddr5 flickering issues, but make no mistake, their fix was implemented, which is why a 4xx card with dual monitors won't clock down very far at all and uses a ridiculous amount of power.

Also, mostly speaking if you don't overclock the 3d settings almost universally work, while if you do overclock, you should really use afterburner, which can disable powerplay for you. GPU Clock tool has also been available for years which will do the same.
 
Only for games that do not tax the GPU much like BF2 or games with vsync on, as said you can set it to a global setting of max performance for all games and apps so no down clocking or set to a specific game so you can still keep the power saving options like with accelerated flash media which would otherwise run at for clock speeds with max performance global setting.

You can say it's the control panel and not drivers all day long, but when it effects your game to me it's drivers, ATI should show more interest and put game profiles in and get vsync hacked to work in Vista and W7, you notice these things when going from ATI.
 
But factually, it's not the drivers, this is part of the problem of people complaining about ATi drivers, they're complaining about the control panel, but can't make the distinction between drivers (INF files) and a control panel, which gives people the impression they're having "driver" troubles.

A control panel isn't a driver, as DM said, it's about preference.
 
The way I see it, it's the whole package when you buy a GFX card and currently compared to nvidia ATI's package is inferior. Now I wish it was not that's why I want ATI to put more resources in to their CCC, I mean you spend so much on a gaming card the least they can do is provide features similar to the competition.
 
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The way I see it, it's the whole package when you buy a GFX card and currently compared to nvidia ATI's package is inferior. Now I wish it was not that's why I want ATI to put more resources in to their CCC, I mean you spend so much on a gaming card the least they can do is provide features similar to the competition.
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The average gamer does not touch the control panel.
None of the people i have built gaming PC's for go into CCC unless i have told them to.
Its only the enthusiasts who like to play with everything that they can.
 
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But you get so much more performance pound for pound with ATI. The other thing is ATI are tiny compared Nvidia, ATI's driver team is a fraction of the size of Nvidia so doubt they have as much time to work on the hand holding side of things.
 
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But you get so much more performance pound for pound with ATI. The other thing is ATI are tiny compared Nvidia, ATI's driver team is a fraction of the size of Nvidia so doubt they have as much time to work on the hand holding side of things.
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I wouldn't be surprised if nVidia's driver team were bigger than the whole of ATi's staff.
 
jigger said:
But you get so much more performance pound for pound with ATI. The other thing is ATI are tiny compared Nvidia, ATI's driver team is a fraction of the size of Nvidia so doubt they have as much time to work on the hand holding side of things.
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It's all about customer service though. A graphics card is more than the physical card, and the R&D that goes into it. Just because ATI's driver department is maybe smaller than Nvidia's doesn't mean that they shouldn't work hard to give customers a good user experience.
 
jigger said:
But you get so much more performance pound for pound with ATI. The other thing is ATI are tiny compared Nvidia, ATI's driver team is a fraction of the size of Nvidia so doubt they have as much time to work on the hand holding side of things.
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Do we actually know this to be true or is this purely internet Chinese whispers?
 
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