Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

[Castiel]

Where did the first gay come from? I don't believe for one second that gays are genetically predisposed to be gays.

I do think it is choice (whether that be conscious or not) but not genetics.

I think that it is dependent upon hormone response, so probably linked to genetics in some way.

Homosexual activity is common among every species of mammal on the planet, so it may simply be a natural response to certain stimuli.

The issue gets confused by the 'choice' some make due to 'fashion trends' and lifestyle choices.

 

[krooton]

You believe you have no control over your subconscious?

Not directly, hence it being 'sub' in the first place.

Do you remember making a decision to be attracted to women and liking the taste of steak?

Are you of the nuture vs nature viewpoint that never holds water due to plenty of evidence of gay people with straight siblings?

And even if it were conscious choice, would a man who chose to have an irreversible vasectomy also not be allowed to adopt given her made a choice that renders him unable to father a child?

 

[B&W]

I think that it is dependent upon hormone response, so probably linked to genetics in some way.

Homosexual activity is common among every species of mammal on the planet, so it may simply be a natural response to certain stimuli.

The issue gets confused by the 'choice' some make due to 'fashion trends' and lifestyle choices.

Did cavemen bum each other?

 

[lixxus]

What do people think about the argument that its a mental illness.

 

[Gilly]

I think that it is dependent upon hormone response, so probably linked to genetics in some way.

You think it is? It probably is? Seems a little wishy-washy if you don't mind me saying.

Homosexual activity is common among every species of mammal on the planet, so it may simply be a natural response to certain stimuli.

This may have already been covered, and apologies if so, but can you provide me with some detail around this please? I understand that it occurs naturally in some species, but is there evidence of 'every species of mammal on the planet' having homosexuals within it? I know you didn't say that, homosexual activity is different to homosexuality in that a male monkey can bone a male monkey but it doesn't make him a gayer, his next partner would usually be a female.

Isn't it usually a dominance thing rather than attraction?

The issue gets confused by the 'choice' some make due to 'fashion trends' and lifestyle choices.

Indeed, things we do often (usually?) perpetuate the things we do next.

 

[krooton]

Did cavemen bum each other?

Possibly, but we have no way of knowing.

Plenty of examples of homosexuality in more recent times, Greeks and Romans loved everything!

 

[Castiel]

If it's not a conscious choice, then you have no control over it, and thus it is not actually a choice.

You cannot control who or what you are attracted to, in the same way you cannot control what flavours you like, it is what it is.

Thats not entirely true. Learned responses to stimuli can be consciously chosen.

Familiarity with a concept or material thing can change the way we percieve that concept or thing over time. The old saying, "I could learn to like it" never cross your mind.

 

[Gilly]

Not directly, hence it being 'sub' in the first place.

Directly or not, there is some measure of control there, hence choice, IMO.

Do you remember making a decision to be attracted to women and liking the taste of steak?

Not women, not steak, but heavy red wine, good cigars and Guiness are acquired tastes.

Are you of the nuture vs nature viewpoint that never holds water due to plenty of evidence of gay people with straight siblings?

I'm not even sure I understand the question.

And even if it were conscious choice, would a man who chose to have an irreversible vasectomy also not be allowed to adopt given her made a choice that renders him unable to father a child?

Eh? Where's that come from?

 

[antijoke]

What I would like to know is, do gay people see it as a right to have children?

 

[Castiel]

You think it is? It probably is? Seems a little wishy-washy if you don't mind me saying.

I don't know, and I cannot be sure. Not wishy-washy, just honest opinion.

This may have already been covered, and apologies if so, but can you provide me with some detail around this please? I understand that it occurs naturally in some species, but is there evidence of 'every species of mammal on the planet' having homosexuals within it? I know you didn't say that, homosexual activity is different to homosexuality in that a male monkey can bone a male monkey but it doesn't make him a gayer, his next partner would usually be a female.

Isn't it usually a dominance thing rather than attraction?



Indeed, things we do often (usually?) perpetuate the things we do next.

cut/pasting references is a little difficult on an iphone, but a simple google will give examples of homosexual activity throughout the Animal Kingdom.

Anyway I would agree that homosexuality among animals is based on dominance and hormonal responses especially among males.

Humans throughout our history have had homosexuals, whether revered or hated, it would suggest a natural and not entirely choice driven situation.

 

[krooton]

Not women, not steak, but heavy red wine, good cigars and Guiness are acquired tastes.

What prompted you to try them out and thus acquire said tastes? I can't say I've ever heard of people being advised to 'give gay a go' to see if they happen to like it, or might warm to the idea in the future.

I'm not even sure I understand the question.

Some people believe that how you are brought up decides if you turn out gay, even though there is no proof and plenty of example of siblings having the same upbringing whilst having differing sexual preferences.

Eh? Where's that come from?

Harking back to other's views on if you choose not to be able to have kids, you shouldn't be allowed to adopt (it wasn't meant specifically for you, soz).

 

[krooton]

What I would like to know is, do gay people see it as a right to have children?

I might get shot down for this, but I don't believe it's anyone's right to have children.

 

[Castiel]

Are you of the nuture vs nature viewpoint that never holds water due to plenty of evidence of gay people with straight siblings?

Why should nuture and nature be mutually exclusive. Surely they are related closely and cannot be judged in isolation?

 

[Castiel]

I might get shot down for this, but I don't believe it's anyone's right to have children.

You think we should be licenced in some way, or require state approval.

Of course its a right, the only reason you exist is to procreate and ensure the continuation of the species.

everything else is simply gravy.

 

[Castiel]

What prompted you to try them out and thus acquire said tastes? I can't say I've ever heard of people being advised to 'give gay a go' to see if they happen to like it, or might warm to the idea in the future.
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No?

Peter Tatchell is infamous for suggesting just that.

 

[krooton]

You think we should be licenced in some way, or require state approval.

Of course its a right, the only reason you exist is to procreate and ensure the continuation of the species.

everything else is simply gravy.

Not a licence, but to employ common sense. If you are unable to support yourself or a family, why on earth should you do it just because it's the simplest aspect of our biological existence.

We've moved on from the animal kingdom's continuation of the species single-minded process. We've decided to make out own destinies, such is the way of the level of social development we've made over the centuries.

As such, we should know better than to just keep popping out sprogs for the sake of it. The number of kids in care is pretty indicative of how, regardless of biological right, many people are just unfit to be parents.

 

[meghatronic]

I might get shot down for this, but I don't believe it's anyone's right to have children.

I fail to see why. I can impregnate anyone I choose.

 

[antijoke]

You think we should be licenced in some way, or require state approval.

Of course its a right, the only reason you exist is to procreate and ensure the continuation of the species.

everything else is simply gravy.

But by being gay it is against the laws of nature to reproduce, thus then removing this right?

I know that might not come across as I mean it but I cannot think how to word it any better.

 

[krooton]

No?

Peter Tatchell is infamous for suggesting just that.

Infamous if you've followed that area, I had to google him. *shrug*

Or did every gay person out there get a note from him suggesting it?

My gay friends were never advised or goaded in to being gay, back then it was still uber-taboo, who would have? They just found that once their hormones started firing all over the place in puberty, that they had a physical attracted towards other men.

 

[krooton]

But by being gay it is against the laws of nature to reproduce, thus then removing this right?

I know that might not come across as I mean it but I cannot think how to word it any better.

But, and I reiterate, by the same logic someone who cannot reproduce (say their ovaries are defunct) should also be disallowed to adopt as nature says no.