Life in post-Labour Britain

Dolph said:
Completed
National ID card scheme gone.
National identity register gone
Contactpoint gone
RIPA clampdown
Speed cameras funding withdrawn
In progress
Consultation on laws that should be removed
Libel law reform
Regulation of CCTV
Improved safeguards around use of terrorism legislation
Ending storage of email and internet records without good justification
Improved protection against unjustified storage of DNA records
Law changes so historical convictions for homosexual behaviour are removed
More protection against the proliferation of unjustified criminal offences
Outlawing schools taking children's fingerprints etc without permission

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All sounds very much like progress for me after 13 years of authoritarian nutcases in power, especially as the bulk of those are repealing or altering laws that were created by the previous government.
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I don't understand why withdrawing the funding gives you back freedom? Freedom to break the speed limit?
 
Meridian said:
Weren't PFIs invented by the last Tory government, under a different name ? PPP IIRC.


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They were indeed, but it was the Labour government that abused them massively as they shifted the liabilities off the public debt record, to the tune of £60billion.
 
Evangelion said:
So, now that all the dust has settled, what's life like in Tory/Lib Dem Britain? Any significant changes? Are the budget cuts hurting?

Haven't heard much from the UK recently, so I'm interested to know how it's all working out.

:)
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One thing I have noticed, the new government seems a bit happier to express an opinion.

Previously when something happened, say a spree killing, the previous governtment would have had a committee, then a review, then an investigation, then a change in the law to placate no-one in particular.
The new government said how awful it was and moved on, saying departments would looks at themselves, press moved on too.

Amount of money watsed from the public purse, much less.

The new govt will get hit hard soon when peopel start getting the sack, but at the moment we are spending £10Billion a month more than we make, even with all the proposed cuts that'll only get down to £5Billion a month in deficit. Labout really left the larder bare and the entire house falling down, and borrowed at insane rates to 'get out of it'.

We'll be looking at 2020 to actually get back to normality in any sane way, hopefully our spending politicians will have learned something by then.

It was announced during the week thata building hospitals program using private sector money which would then be repaid as the private sector would run the services associated with those hopsitals for 30 years (weird mortgage type setup) will end up costign about 10 times the investment capital. £6Billion in, expected to cost repayment and services costs of £65Billion.
They simply didn't think anything through.
Now there isn't any money, the new lot have to be frugal, and we all need to understand this.
 
physichull said:
I don't understand why withdrawing the funding gives you back freedom? Freedom to break the speed limit?
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As the money is reinvested, it's the freedom from more dangerous roads that matters, seeing as speeding was and is not a major accident cause and the things that they were ignoring to raise money from speeding are.

Not to mention the whole thing about victimless crimes...
 
No impact on me as a university student as my course is funded by the NHS (tuition fee's and bursary) and this money has already been paid to my university which basically acts as a bank for me over the next 4 years. If I didn't have that in place though, I'd be in the same situation as my friends who don't know if the student loans interest rate is going to rise substantially or yet another tuition fee rise, both which are crippling to students anyway.

I can see a degree costing around £40k over 3 years including tuition fee's and maintenance loans in a few years at this rate.
 
Evangelion said:
So, now that all the dust has settled, what's life like in Tory/Lib Dem Britain? Any significant changes? Are the budget cuts hurting?

Haven't heard much from the UK recently, so I'm interested to know how it's all working out.

:)
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Hardly been enough time for anything to happen to be honest. Its still in the "talk" phase will be a while before their ideas start to hit. All of which I am in favour of, if not particularly looking forward to the suffering it will cause my wallet :)
 
They took away the £250 child trust fund money 3 weeks before I had my first kid :/

Apart from that, it is certainly harder to get work than I have ever found previously.

No other changes noticed yet personally -- I'd imagine the next one I'll notice will be VAT.

To think, some people thought the tories wouldn't affect front line services *at all* and make the savings using 'magic secret public sector efficiency savings that the tories couldn't tell anyone before the election, that affected no services at all'!!! Made me laugh out loud anyways .. I think some of the younger kids on here actually believed them on that one!!! :) hoho ..
 
britboy4321 said:
They took away the £250 child trust fund money 3 weeks before I had my first kid :/

Apart from that, it is certainly harder to get work than I have ever found previously.
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Which isn't due to the coalition, as any economist will tell you, there's a 12-18 month lag ;)

No other changes noticed yet personally -- I'd imagine the next one I'll notice will be VAT.

To think, some people thought the tories wouldn't affect front line services *at all* and make the savings using 'magic secret public sector efficiency savings that the tories couldn't tell anyone before the election, that affected no services at all'!!! Made me laugh out loud anyways .. I think some of the younger kids on here actually believed them on that one!!! :) hoho ..
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It's nearly as funny as the socialists who thought there was a magic money tree that meant we could spend as much as we want creating pointless non-jobs indefinitely...
 
As a student I've not noticed anything at all, which is odd as it's constantly on the news that I'm screwed for my future...
 
Dolph said:
It's nearly as funny as the socialists who thought there was a magic money tree that meant we could spend as much as we want creating pointless non-jobs indefinitely...
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I seem to remember you yourself saying 'No front line public services will be effected at all, the tories have a 'secret squirrel' efficiency savings plan they'll reveal once elected. Er, but it's a big secret at the moment though, but they do have one - honest they do we're just not allowed to know it..'!

Surely, in retrospect, even you have to slightly LOL? As they say in America .. 'You got served'! :)
 
britboy4321 said:
I seem to remember you yourself saying 'No front line public services will be effected at all, the tories have a 'secret squirrel' efficiency savings plan they'll reveal once elected. Er, but it's a big secret at the moment though, but they do have one - honest they do we're just not allowed to know it..'!

Surely, in retrospect, even you have to slightly LOL? As they say in America .. 'You got served'! :)
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Actually, if you bother to look back, I never said anything of the sort. What I said was that it should be possible to protect core services, not frontline services. I also voiced the view that, due to structural flaws with the way funding is allocated in the public sector, the pressure is to cut frontline services, rather than back office, because the former is more likely to result in a preferable future budget result.

Examples.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16436292&postcount=1031
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16765920&postcount=82

Still, never let the truth get in the way of your strawman, it's much easier to attack than what was actually posted.
 
I haven't noticed a difference so far, but it is still early days really. I will definately notice if university tuition fees change much over the next few years, and we will all notice the VAT increase when it happens.
 
gettothechopper said:
no change at all, same as there was no change before the recession or during it
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Same here. They laid off about 5% of the workforce at work, but this was inevitable due to the recession.

We are having it very easy over here all things considered. No ridiculous price rises like they are experiencing abroad (example: France).
 
Well im sat waiting for my tax to rise and being public sector my pays getting frozen which im slightly bitter about. But tbh Im glad those labour idiots are gone with their short sighted money grabbing policies, given the state of things left to them the Torries seem to be doin alright. Ive not noticed any changes so far though, its early days, if they can get rid of a chunk of these idiot managers running the NHS ill be a happy man.

Hawker
 
Was out of work with Labour, still out of work with the new lot.

Why don't we just pull out of the two wars and let the USA get on with it? That would save a fortune surely?
 
Werewolf said:
I'm seeing various of nu labour's schemes being exposed for the scams they were...
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From Wiki;

Initially, most public-private partnerships were negotiated individually, as one-off deals. In 1992, however, the Conservative government of John Major in the United Kingdom introduced the private finance initiative (PFI)[2], the first systematic programme aimed at encouraging public-private partnerships.
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So a Tory policy simply perpetuated by New Labour. Still why let facts spoil an anti-Labour rant.
 
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