Drive a Zafira 1.6? Get 7 more mpg!

MikeHiow · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:28

Jonnycoupe said:
You seem to be declaring that your experience is controlled test data?

You cant really compare engines when they are in different chassis's either. Aerodynamics etc will play a big difference. Look at a 1.8 Focus Mk1. The Estate and Saloon are significantly more aerodynamic.

So it'd be fair to assume that the TT is a lot more aerodynamic than a Focus then?

I'm not declaring it 'controlled test data', but I find it extremely unlikely that the test conditions consistently work in favour of SUL. This isn't something I've tried over a tank for each fuel, this was a consistent trend over 8 months.

Trojan · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:29

A 1.6 Focus going from 29mpg to 36mpg just by using Tesco 99? Ahahahaha. Hahaha. Hehehehehe. Heh

MikeHiow - If you honestly believe that this is possible, well, I can only assume you also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.

redeye_uk · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:29

zipp0r said:
noo? more like 15%, maybe by grannying it you could get closer to that?

Exactly. For MikeHiow to claim a 29% increase in average MPG is difficult to grasp.

Sirrel Squirrel · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:32

I heard an ad for this on the radio today with James Nesbitt being all serious about the tests.

MikeHiow · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:33

Trojan said:
A 1.6 Focus going from 29mpg to 36mpg just by using Tesco 99? Ahahahaha. Hahaha. Hehehehehe. Heh

MikeHiow - If you honestly believe that this is possible, well, I can only assume you also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy.

FFS, please read my posts before defaming them. I'm not saying that this specific example is the god spoken truth. I'm saying that significant gains are more than possible with SUL.

Trojan · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:40

MikeHiow said:
FFS, please read my posts before defaming them. I'm not saying that this specific example is the god spoken truth. I'm saying that significant gains are more than possible with SUL.

Oh don't worry, I read your posts, they've been the source of much amusement. Gems like this for example:

MikeHiow said:
I'm not sure what's unscientific about it

MikeHiow said:
They appear to have taken reasonable measures to ensure reasonably fair results

MikeHiow said:
Because give or take a few Mls, the Petrol light is going to come on at the same level

MikeHiow said:
What use are the physics behind it

How you can't see the most basic of flaws in the test by relying on the petrol warning light is beyond me.

[TW]Fox · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:40

MikeHiow said:
FFS, please read my posts before defaming them. I'm not saying that this specific example is the god spoken truth. I'm saying that significant gains are more than possible with SUL.

Only in your imagination.

MikeHiow · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:46

Trojan said:
How you can't see the most basic of flaws in the test by relying on the petrol warning light is beyond me.

I can see the flaws, but you can't see that these flaws would have to be consistently in favour of SUL to be as wrong as you claim they are.

spaz · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:48

Come on, don't be harsh to him, I've also seen significant gains changing from normal to super unleaded......

....I've also changed the car that the petrol is going in but that's besides the point really isn't it??

Demon · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:48

MikeHiow said:
FFS, please read my posts before defaming them. I'm not saying that this specific example is the god spoken truth. I'm saying that significant gains are more than possible with SUL.

OK, to the uneducated, like myself, looking at the Tesco's blurb, and what you are saying, I'm inclined to agree a little.

The Focus 1.6 for example, has a combined of 42mpg according to Parkers, Thorney says in their 'test' they got under 30MPG on 95 ron. Now since I now have a 1.6 Focus, I know that getting under 30mpg is not normal driving..

So I'm willing just for now to entertain the idea that they may have found a particular mode of driving/running the engine which just gives larger gains then at any other time for SUL..

I'm still very sceptical as to the size of increase, and I'm happy to side with everyone in saying that is more likely due to a flawed test method, but I also am sure that the 'gain' is naturally variable depending on a lot of factors to do with the engine/fuel and ECU, so finding a condition that exploits it favourably isn't also out of the question.

Trojan · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:55

MikeHiow said:
I can see the flaws, but you can't see that these flaws would have to be consistently in favour of SUL to be as wrong as you claim they are.

Or, more likely, the drives weren't identical and were completely biased towards the 99RON. Trust me, getting under 30mpg in a focus 1.6 is not normal driving by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not saying that there is no benefit whatsoever in using SUL, however the percentage increases being claimed, especially on cars like the focus are absolutely laughable.

[TW]Fox · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:55

MikeHiow said:
I can see the flaws, but you can't see that these flaws would have to be consistently in favour of SUL to be as wrong as you claim they are.

When in a hole, stop digging.

The only thing more amusing than the way this test was conducted are your posts in this thread.

Jonnycoupe · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:55

MikeHiow said:
So it'd be fair to assume that the TT is a lot more aerodynamic than a Focus then?

Which TT and Focus?

The Mk1 of each both sit at a rather crummy 0.34 but i imagine the frontal area of the Focus is bigger. Not sure why you have to make any assumptions of stuff like that though.

-Ad- · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:57

MikeHiow said:
What use are the physics behind it (told to me by some random person on an internet forum) when my own experience, and the experience of many others completely contradict what he is trying to tell me.

Experience does't suddenly give you the knowledge and power to dismiss the fundamentals of how the process works.

New from MikeHiow, how to run faster than the speed of light*

*Data based upon personal experience

Jonnycoupe · 24 Aug 2010 at 11:59

What are you trying to declare then Mike?

SUL gives you 29% more MPG? Where are the other people who are declaring this?

Physics are useful cos if you understood them you might have a clue why the test is so random.

Pug · 24 Aug 2010 at 12:05

any graph which doesnt start at zero so as to exaggerate small differences is instantly dismissed by me.

[TW]Fox · 24 Aug 2010 at 12:06

His personal experience is worthless.

MikeHiow · 24 Aug 2010 at 12:21

Trojan said:
Or, more likely, the drives weren't identical and were completely biased towards the 99RON. Trust me, getting under 30mpg in a focus 1.6 is not normal driving by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not saying that there is no benefit whatsoever in using SUL, however the percentage increases being claimed, especially on cars like the focus are absolutely laughable.

Actually, I have experience of the kind of fuel economy offered by a 1.6 MK2 Focus. I achieved 31MPG driving normally (no spirited driving), so I don't see it as ridiculous that they achieved less than 30MPG, but then, neither am I defending their results.

Jonnycoupe said:
What are you trying to declare then Mike?

SUL gives you 29% more MPG? Where are the other people who are declaring this?

Physics are useful cos if you understood them you might have a clue why the test is so random.

I'm not trying to say SUL will definitely give you 29% more MPG, I'm saying it can offer significant increases, and that I experienced around 6MPG improvement in my VXR.

Do you have extensive and intricate knowledge of the Z16LER engine and its management systems to be able to categorically say that my own experience is incorrect?

[TW]Fox · 24 Aug 2010 at 12:23

MikeHiow said:
Do you have extensive and intricate knowledge of the Z16LER engine and its management systems to be able to categorically say that my own experience is incorrect?

Don't be stupid. We know your experience is incorrect because of how outlandlish your claims are. You constantly come out with all sorts of howlers, I doubt anyone places much credence on what you say.

You don't have extensive and intricate knowledge of the engine in a Hynundai Getz but you'd be able to tell me to shut up if I said I got 100mpg from one.

Demon · 24 Aug 2010 at 12:24

Jonnycoupe said:
What are you trying to declare then Mike?

SUL gives you 29% more MPG? Where are the other people who are declaring this?

Physics are useful cos if you understood them you might have a clue why the test is so random.

Are you saying that under absolutely no circumstances, the engines can be run in a manner that might yield higher gains from SUL, no matter how specific those situations?

I largely disagree with Mike's stuff too, but I can see they where driving the cars in a very non normal manner (again, under 30MPG from a 1.6 focus that I average 38MPG under a reasonable mix of driving?)..