*Official OMG I got my 460 thread*

[p0rks0da]

I don't think there is a 'best' card out of the two, they are both excellent. I went with the Gigabyte card simply because i've always had good experiences with Gigabyte's products.

Either one is a great option, just flip a coin or choose based on looks or something lol

 

[bingham67]

ive had a reference and MSI card in my hands at the same time. the MSI is a higher quality board. the caps and chokes are better you can see that the card is better and has higher quality components.



No thats not OK- just. you need to bump up the voltage by 1 notch, unfortunately it only jumps in notches of 0.012 or so so say u started off at 1.012 u need to bump to 1.025v.

u should be able to do a pass with zero errors at all. if it passes, sneak the core up to 815 and retest... if thats fine. go to 825...and maybe u can leave it there.

Cheers card stable at 1.025v now 800/1600/2000

 

[The Running Man]

for the sake of 1.28% voltage increase its worth the minor bump to be guaranteed rock stable.

like i said earlier OCCT is the golden test really it shows probs that you wouldnt otherwise have spotted - after 2 hours of Crysis or something you might get a BSOD? for the minor bump you can eradicate this chance almost entirely.

 

[nJoyo]

I'm Buying the MSI GTX 460 Cyclone OC Edition 1GB, as far as the review goes of this product it's very silent and efficient. The performance of the MSI GTX 460 Cyclone, is amazing. It neck to neck with it's big brother 470. I reckon customers should invest on this if they really want a boost on performance if they're going from the 7,8,9 Series of Nvidia.

 

[bhavv]

Lame CPU

 

[arknor]

i thought the gigabyte were meant to be quiet? mine sounds like a hairdryer

seems to peak at 71c in kombustor with fan speed going all the way up to 98%

i cant believe its so loud tbh is it because my case is thin aluminion lian li lol its crazy my cpu is almost inaudible and i never hear my hdd's.

edit.. actually the gfx card is quiet even at 100% load....

somethings going on with my cpu fan since i installed this gfx card, its ramping up to 5000rpm lol wtf, it never used to go above 3700 at max and the temps havent changed at load :S

 

[mikeo]

is it because my case is thin aluminion lian li lol
:S

I doubt it's your case. I find cooling / air flow pretty good in my Lian Li.

Though it does sound like you have some sort of problem here!

PS. What on earth CPU cooler do you have that has a fan that runs at 5000RPM!

 

[arknor]

its just a stock 1055t cooler but i dont overclock and its never been a problem even running boinc with 6 cores active at 100% it never went above 3800rpm....

i just ran uniengine demo thing and check this out WTF?

 

[kitch9]

I always used to buy the cheapest model like I do with CPUs - buy the cheapest one and overclock it. But then I found that I also needed to buy custom coolers myself, void the warranty, and even the overclocking itself voided the warranty on cards such as sapphire, as well as having to flash them to Asus or MSI bioses to allow higher overclocks.

Why bother with all that when the MSI / Asus just cost around an extra £10, come with the better cooler, unlocked overclock limits, voltage tweak that is still covered by the warranty, plus the warranty is 3 years? gigabyte dont officially support overclocking, but they dont void your warranty if you do it so that is also fine. I'd rather buy a card that is so good that I never want to take the stock cooler off in the first place, as is the case with these great MSI cards.

The last straw was when I bought my Sapphire 5770s - I found out that 'Sapphire do not support or allow overclocking or modification of their cards, and no posts are to be made about this on the forums', and then when they (and several othe ATI AIBs) started rolling their own custom designs, they actually started removing the voltage tweak chip!. Apparantly they say that most of their RMAs are from overclocked or modified cards, when none of my cards have ever broke from doing either of those (I even use antistatic gloves).

Now with these Nvidia cards, everything that I have completely advises against buying the palits - what they did was that they provided higher quality cards to reviewers, and then cut down the retail version. The basic version of the Palit 460 uses a worse than reference cooler - The reference cooler is a smaller version of the MSI cyclone with heatpipes, wheras palit just slapped on a large black aluminium heatsink with a fan on top. The temperature results I saw, while acceptable, were too high, plus there were complaints about whining fan noise and the overclocks they are managing were rubbish.

I am actually too scared to even remove the heatsinks on my MSIs just to replace the stock paste, in case I make them worse than they currently are. Thats how good they are, and thats what I want to be buying. With the sapphire 5770s, I lost like 8-10 degrees by replacing the stock paste, and that voids the warranty when the only time I had a graphics card fail was because it was overheating.

The Palits are fine ffs. They weren't initially but they are now. I've 2 in sli and they don't go over 80c and they are not very loud. Guru3d retested the retail card and found them to but fine too. If I turn off sli and only run one card it doesn't go over 70c, coolest cards I've had for ages.

People need to stop banging on about the vrm cooler thing, they are not the only 460 without them.

 

[DBT85]

I've just installed my Gigabyte 460 1gb which is replacing my BFG 8800GTS 640mb. Paired with my venerable Q6600 at stock and 4gb ram.

I've also bought a new monitor so went from 1650 to 1920.

My Vantage scores on defaults went from P6083 / CPU 23634 / GPU 4876 to P14757 / CPU 33312 / GPU 12446

On max settings it was CPU 22973 / GPU 2593 and is now CPU 33879 / GPU 7052.

My Sup Com /perf test went from Sim 8900 / Render 7151 / Composite 16050 / avg fps 31.180 to Sim 8837 / 8348 / Composite 17185 / avg fps 49.836

All new benches were run at 1920x1080 compared to the original 1650x1050 except for the default Vantage one obviously.

I've not tinkered yet to see how far it'll clock. I got 850/1700/2000 on stock volts and FurMark was fine but Vantage froze the computer. I can't seem to run Kombustor as D3Dcompiler_42.dll is missing :S

 

[chrisgt]

I've just installed my Gigabyte 460 1gb which is replacing my BFG 8800GTS 640mb. Paired with my venerable Q6600 at stock and 4gb ram.

I've also bought a new monitor so went from 1650 to 1920.

My Vantage scores on defaults went from P6083 / CPU 23634 / GPU 4876 to P14757 / CPU 33312 / GPU 12446

On max settings it was CPU 22973 / GPU 2593 and is now CPU 33879 / GPU 7052.

My Sup Com /perf test went from Sim 8900 / Render 7151 / Composite 16050 / avg fps 31.180 to Sim 8837 / 8348 / Composite 17185 / avg fps 49.836

All new benches were run at 1920x1080 compared to the original 1650x1050 except for the default Vantage one obviously.

I've not tinkered yet to see how far it'll clock. I got 850/1700/2000 on stock volts and FurMark was fine but Vantage froze the computer. I can't seem to run Kombustor as D3Dcompiler_42.dll is missing :S

 

[arknor]

. I can't seem to run Kombustor as D3Dcompiler_42.dll is missing :S

download this http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3

should fix it, i googled for you and people were saying dirt 2 wouldnt run because the same .dll was missing aparently they fixed it with that

 

[DBT85]

download this http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3

should fix it, i googled for you and people were saying dirt 2 wouldnt run because the same .dll was missing aparently they fixed it with that

Thanks for that, I was doing the same and fixed it moments after my edit! Now using OCCT though to stress it better.

I also found that my default voltage was 1.012 which is lower than the 1.087 people have been quoting elsewhere. I've just ramped mine up to that and seeing how far I can go before I get an error in occt. At 1.012 it was 850. Currently at 880/1740/1800.

EDIT: After a little fiddling i'm now at 1.087v 870/1740/2000 with no errors after a 2 minute occt screen. running at 875 got me 1 error and at 880 5 errors.

I'm packing up for tonight, i'll run longer tests tomorrow and also try and work on the memory setting a little more as well as getting my Q6600 back up to 3.2 so that i can run some new benches.

Just going to run a Vantage now while i go watch tv!

 

[Ravenger]

The Palits are fine ffs. They weren't initially but they are now. I've 2 in sli and they don't go over 80c and they are not very loud. Guru3d retested the retail card and found them to but fine too. If I turn off sli and only run one card it doesn't go over 70c, coolest cards I've had for ages.

People need to stop banging on about the vrm cooler thing, they are not the only 460 without them.

I've no quibble about the Palit's performance, but even once I'd tamed the fan speed (they shipped with a very agressive fan profile) the fan was whiney, even at low speed. While gaming it was very noticable, especially with headphones that tended to filter the air noise out, leaving the whine.

I can't hear my Gigabyte card over the noise of my computers other fans - and they're pretty quiet - even while gaming, and the temps don't tend to go above 70 degrees, and are normally around 65.

 

[skotish|]

The Palits are fine ffs. They weren't initially but they are now. I've 2 in sli and they don't go over 80c and they are not very loud. Guru3d retested the retail card and found them to but fine too. If I turn off sli and only run one card it doesn't go over 70c, coolest cards I've had for ages.

People need to stop banging on about the vrm cooler thing, they are not the only 460 without them.

Its a my card is better thing lol i have palit too not a problem with them

 

[kitch9]

I've no quibble about the Palit's performance, but even once I'd tamed the fan speed (they shipped with a very agressive fan profile) the fan was whiney, even at low speed. While gaming it was very noticable, especially with headphones that tended to filter the air noise out, leaving the whine.

I can't hear my Gigabyte card over the noise of my computers other fans - and they're pretty quiet - even while gaming, and the temps don't tend to go above 70 degrees, and are normally around 65.

The new bios solved that issue pretty much. I've seen reports of the gigabytes getting very hot when in sli if you have close slots.

 

[bhavv]

The new bios solved that issue pretty much. I've seen reports of the gigabytes getting very hot when in sli if you have close slots.

That will happen on every dual card setup, more so if they have weaker cooling.

Running the palits in SLI on close slots would be easilly asking for top card death

The Palit's temperatures as a single card are worse than any of the others. Even without VRM coolers out of the box, the MSI are still managing to overclock and remain cooler than the others.

People need to stop banging on about the vrm cooler thing, they are not the only 460 without them.

Thats not the reason why people are against them, the reason is that it is seen as cheating to send a better version of the card to reviewers, and then release a dumbed down version. Most people who read a card review expect that what they see in the review is what they will get when they buy the card. Any manufacturer that cheats this process by providing hand picked, beefed up cards for the reviews, but then inferior versions for the actual release are going to end up getting shot down in flames.

And really, the cooler and temps on them is worse than Nvidias reference design. For a single card running at stock temps to a mild overclock they appear fine. Try buying two of the standard palit versions in close slot SLI, overclock them to just 850 Mhz and see what happens. I would really like to see the results for that actually.

 

[VaderDSL]

My Gigabyte 460 comes tomorrow, first Nvidia card since Geforce 2 GTS iirc.

 

[skotish|]

The Palits are fine ffs. They weren't initially but they are now. I've 2 in sli and they don't go over 80c and they are not very loud. Guru3d retested the retail card and found them to but fine too. If I turn off sli and only run one card it doesn't go over 70c, coolest cards I've had for ages.

People need to stop banging on about the vrm cooler thing, they are not the only 460 without them.

He has there fine and i don't feel i was cheated

 

[jaybee]

Quick couple of questions fellow OCUKers

EDIT: I game at 1920 x 1200

1: Will a q6600 bottleneck a GTX 460 ?
2: Will PCI-e 1.1 bottleneck a GTX 460?

I think the answer to both is pretty much no? I see a LOT of people in this thread still running q6600s and they are a strong chip with life yet hopefully. I want this to be my "last upgrade" on socket 775 to get a bit of life out of it for another year or so if poss. My q6600 could probably do 3.8 if I got a new case with better cooling. It feels good upgrading but being able to keep your mobo/cpu/ram. I get a warm fuzzy feeling that my components are paying for them self once more

I read a bittech article that PCI-e is basically the same bandwidth as PCI-e 2.0 @ 8x, and that during testing the only saw around a 2-3% drop in performance. I think the most I have heard of is 5%. Basically something that did get 65fps got like 63fps.

Thoughts? Reassurance?