I'm sick of foreign people

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it is true to an extent but you have to admit that someone who arrives here and needs to use the NHS before he works will be a net drain to our system instantly. then if he goes finds a wife from back home and she doesnt work, but is a housewife then the net drain just increases over time instead of decreasing.

surely you must see this?

How many immigrants come here that work and require constant NHS care? Do you have statistics on how much these immigrants drain compared to everything else?

they are, new plans are coming in to tackle this. but we can do so much more to simply stop withdrawal via immigrants and do it faster.

Yes, plans are coming but it is going to be a very difficult job to get those who have not worked for generations to do something useful for society.

you prejudice racialist whilstleblower, you. i thought we wanted to get away from prejudice.

I think what he said is fact. Just go out to any city/town on a Friday/Saturday night and you will see how bad/big the drinking culture has become.


or some people dont like the dynamic path that the new britishness is being steered on and are trying to turn the ship around but get labelled as descriminatory racists for even speaking about it?

You've been on the dynamic path for centuries.
 
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The day humanity lives in harmony is the day that people stop segregating themselves into sub-societies and blindly following those societies like they are ingrained in their DNA.
Segregation certainly isn't built into people's DNA, but fear of things that are different and sticking with your own kind are both strong evolutionary traits.

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You're not English, you're human.
I am both, you're wrong.

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Sure, you were born geographically on a lump of land which belongs to a government and as such you were processed by that government as a member of their society. It's nice, it feels friendly, it doesn't feel like you're just another headcount towards the mechanics of mass organisation, granted. But you are. Your social liberties, your leaps and bounds that you have over other countries are not because you're a great member of that society, it's just so that you can pay your way out of the debt that you owe that society through work, taxes, retail purchases, tourism and input. You're just a packaged investment like the others born every minute in the UK.
I don't see what value this statement has, isn't this just defining what the average citizen's role is?

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You're lucky. You're probably a white male with good British heritage. You're a tiny proportion of a global population, and you have lucked out. You started with no handicap in life, no back footing. You were born at the front of the queue, pretty much as close to the front as you can get, relatively speaking.
Yep. It's good to be the king.

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And so what now, you think that your social liberty (via luck no less)
Wrong. I would not be here if not for my circumstances. If I were born elsewhere and had different experiences, I would not be me. Would I?

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entitles you to some kind of casual bigotry over people in this world who are trying to share a slice of what you take for granted?
Firstly, I do not take it for granted. I appreciate how valuable it is. I take advantage of every opportunity given and in return do my part. I will also stand up for it's defence against those who would undermine my liberties with their own misguided understanding of them. Letting people do what the hell they want is not part of the British social contract.

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Because these freedoms come too easily to you, others should take a back seat and accept a lesser or different way of living?
Nonsense. They don't come easily, hence their rarity. There is a price on it's rarity, and as such you have to integrate and contribute.
Others are completely free to pass the requisite levels necessary to become part of Britain, as my father was, and no doubt many others were.

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After all, it's not like the massive narrow-minded nature of blind following is the fuel for most conflict in this world.
Actually it's "I want what you have, give me it". Generally.

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Imagine if we lived in a world where you didn't judge someone for being on a different street to you
I don't. I'm not that shallow.

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Or a football team for being different to yours
If I could speak to animals I'd become a vet!

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Or a southerner for not being from the north
I would say those that are genuinely aggreived by this have other problems. Serious mental problems, specfically.

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or a country for not speaking or acting as yours does.
Isn't that the role of diplomacy? If only for the sake of not getting crossed wires.

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Will it take a band of aliens destroying the world to finally realise that our stupid little societies are different versions of the same thing, all living for the same reason
Nice assumption there. Some people are greedy and misanthropic. Some are sharing and kind hearted. Infact, we're all different!

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Enjoying the same life that they try to extract as much happiness as possible from?
Some might enjoy socialising, others not. It's an extremely vague statement.
 
Maybe you could visit TangoSixteen on one of your trips over there? You're right though, Canada is massively multicultural especially in Vancouver and Toronto, I know rather less about the ethnic makeup of the other large cities though but see no reason to believe that the pervading attitude of generally welcoming immigrants is likely to be different.

LOL no thanks...wouldnt waste my time on visiting such a narrow minded person such as himself.

Canada especially Toronto where i spend most of my time is massively multi cultural...but canadians dont have an issue with it although to be fair there are a few idiots like there are here.

But over there from what my brother told me is that the benefit system or welfare system is set up in such a way that no one and i mean no one in their right mind would go on it and even if people do its for a very short time period...mainly due to the fact that anything you get on welfare is paid back to the govt as soon as you get a job. Unlike this country where you can live a very good life by being on the benefit system.

Pretty damn good system and something the UK should incorporate here if this country wants to get back to the top of the pile.
 
Segregation certainly isn't built into people's DNA, but fear of things that are different and sticking with your own kind are both strong evolutionary traits.


I am both, you're wrong.


I don't see what value this statement has, isn't this just defining what the average citizen's role is?


Yep. It's good to be the king.


Wrong. I would not be here if not for my circumstances. If I were born elsewhere and had different experiences, I would not be me. Would I?


Firstly, I do not take it for granted. I appreciate how valuable it is. I take advantage of every opportunity given and in return do my part. I will also stand up for it's defence against those who would undermine my liberties with their own misguided understanding of them. Letting people do what the hell they want is not part of the British social contract.


Nonsense. They don't come easily, hence their rarity. There is a price on it's rarity, and as such you have to integrate and contribute.
Others are completely free to pass the requisite levels necessary to become part of Britain, as my father was, and no doubt many others were.


Actually it's "I want what you have, give me it". Generally.


I don't. I'm not that shallow.


If I could speak to animals I'd become a vet!


I would say those that are genuinely aggreived by this have other problems. Serious mental problems, specfically.


Isn't that the role of diplomacy? If only for the sake of not getting crossed wires.


Nice assumption there. Some people are greedy and misanthropic. Some are sharing and kind hearted. Infact, we're all different!


Some might enjoy socialising, others not. It's an extremely vague statement.

Poor attempt.
 
Canada especially Toronto where i spend most of my time is massively multi cultural...but canadians dont have an issue with it although to be fair there are a few idiots like there are here.

listen i lived in toronto. yes its multicultural, i was with a bunch of foreign students from korea, japan, france, italy for a start. but i had lots of friends, canadians, south americans etc. all good.

but the reason that people move to Canada, isnt for the benefits as you say. its for the freedom it offers them. they arent necessarily the poorest people. they can afford to move to emigrate and go there usually affording to fly transatlantic or pacific to do so. when they get there there is no benefits to erode or health care to abuse...

Immigrants coming here tend to be poor, take benefits a are legally entitled to use the NHS etc and this breeds huge resentment from the people who built and funded these systems - a right that you cannot deny them.

people move to the UK for the benefits. i.e the social welfare that we afford our citizens.
 
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listen i lived in toronto. yes its multicultural, i was with a bunch of foreign students from korea, japan, france, italy for a start. but i had lots of friends, canadians, south americans etc. all good.

but the reason that people move to Canada, isnt for the benefits as you say. its for the freedom it offers them. they arent necessarily the poorest people. they can afford to move to emigrate and go there usually affording to fly transatlantic or pacific to do so.

Immigrants coming here tend to be poor, take benefits a are legally entitled to use the NHS etc and this breeds huge resentment from the people who built and funded these systems - a right that you cannot deny them.

people move to the UK for the benefits.

No **** sherlock...i know people dont move to Canada for the benefits as the benefit system doesnt favour the people on it...which was my point that you completely missed by the looks of it. Unlike this country where people move because the benefit system is tailored to favour them.
 
No **** sherlock...i know people dont move to Canada for the benefits as the benefit system doesnt favour the people on it...which was my point that you completely missed by the looks of it. Unlike this country where people move because the benefit system is tailored to favour them.

yes i was just building on your point, watson.

we are literally giving the core wealth of the country away. infact inviting people to come and take it. and then apologising to them whilst we hand it over.

sad really.
 
yes i was just building on your point, watson.

we are literally giving the core wealth of the country away. infact inviting people to come and take it. and then apologising to them whilst we hand it over.

sad really.

Hahahahaha. Do you actually believe that load of tosh. Most people don't even qualify for benefits when they arrive.
 
Hahahahaha. Do you actually believe that load of tosh. Most people don't even qualify for benefits when they arrive.

to some the benefit of the NHS is enough. if they dont end up on the street or similar then the chances are they are benefitting in some way

tell me, why would you EVER want to move to the UK and not say, france, germany spain etc?

we have rubbish weather, we are a load of binge drinking right wingers with huge underage teen pregnancy issues

so why the hell would you want to move here if it wasnt for the reasons i postured? its not a great place to live is it?
 
to some the benefit of the NHS is enough. if they dont end up on the street or similar then the chances are they are benefitting in some way

And most are funded by reciprocal agreements in their country of origin. The costs are minimal when compared to the overall NHS budget.

We are not giving away the core wealth of the Nation as you said.

You are praying on the public misconception and media hyperbole and that statement has no basis is fact.


And yes Britain is a great place to live. Our standard of living is among the best in the world and as someone who has lived and worked in over a dozen countries I can fully understand why anyone would enjoy living here.
 
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Treatment which is always free of charge
Some hospital treatment is free of charge for everyone who

needs it, regardless of how long they have been or intend to stay in the UK. This is:-

treatment for accidents and emergencies as an outpatient in a hospital’s accident and emergency department. Emergency treatment in a walk-in centre is also free of charge (England and Wales only). However, if you are referred to an outpatient clinic or admitted to hospital from an accident and emergency department, you will be charged
compulsory psychiatric treatment

treatment for certain communicable diseases, such as tuberculosis, cholera, food poisoning, malaria, meningitis and pandemic influenza. Testing for the HIV virus and counselling following a test are both free of charge, but any necessary subsequent treatment and medicines may have to be paid for

family planning services.

family planning always free? thats an aweful low of always free services. where we dont have a recirprical agreement in place who shoulders these costs? do you have a list of nations of popular nationalities who do or do not have these agreements in place?

edit i notice places like Bangladesh pakistan india are not on the list...

The overwhelming majority of new citizens come from Asia (40%) and Africa (32%), the largest three groups being people from Pakistan, India and Somalia.[50] In 2005, an estimated 565,000 migrants arrived to live in the UK for at least a year, most of the migrants were people from Asia (particularly the Indian subcontinent) and Africa,[51] while 380,000 people emigrated from the UK for a year or more, with Australia, Spain and France most popular destinations.

i feel good about this knowing that our NHS has reciprocal agreements but just not with the places that we take the most immigrants from?
but of course our NHS has agreements with Aussie Spain and france...

so we pay for all our people who leave to go to these countries and we foot the bill for all those who come from asia/africa?

something went wrong there
 
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I know. Funny. He got to know one and realise we're all the same. His natural human nature is telling him a female needed help, so he is trying to help. Just a shame his brain stops working now and again and he comes up with all the bile that he does.

Hmm we have an internet queen...


So just because I complain about Polish signs that means I hate Polish folk?

What a lot of ****.

If the signs were in Arabic or Romanaian I would complain just the same.

We need to treat immigrants how we treat foreign students.. Milk them for all they are worth and make money out of them and use them to help fund OURselves, not the other way round.
 
it is true to an extent but you have to admit that someone who arrives here and needs to use the NHS before he works will be a net drain to our system instantly. then if he goes finds a wife from back home and she doesnt work, but is a housewife then the net drain just increases over time instead of decreasing.

surely you must see this?
Of course, but then what about immigrants that come here and immediately set off to work and pay taxes, who are healthy and don't use the NHS? Would you look at that, I made up a fictional situation as well :D
 
We need to treat immigrants how we treat foreign students.. Milk them for all they are worth and make money out of them and use them to help fund OURselves, not the other way round.

What a wonderfully pleasant person you are. Obviously a fine example of people we want in our society.
 
well then they are fine - but its not a balance the books case is it? 1 in who can work one who takes? it doesnt work like that. if they can come set up get a job, then ask them to pay insurance etc. surely they can afford it.

living in this country is a prevelige whether you think it or not. we can afford to be picky and we should be more picky on who we can take?
 
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