955 & 965 OC question!

150 mobo kills the whole idea behind AMD and bang for buck.

Get cheaper mobo and 1055 if you need 6 cores and save the rest or spend it elsewhere.
SSD, better case, nice set of speakers.

80-100quid mobo is just as capable of OCing as any other, with crosshair you just pay for the bling and extras, it's nice to have them if you have infinite amount of money in your pocket but it's not necessary.

My 75quid mobo had been running the 555 up to 4.2-3ghz so obviously you don't need to spend 150+ on mobo to OC, better spend the extra cash on watercooling, that will get you a lot further.
 
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Thought you weren't getting on with the Crosshair a while back? I think you were considoring getting shot of it and getting a UD5/UD7?
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I prefer Gigabyte boards, fact.
A 1055T isn't unlocked, the UD7 can't do the 340 bus my Crosshair can. Logic really, it took a while, but I'm used to the Crosshair.

80-100quid mobo is just as capable of OCing as any other, with crosshair you just pay for the bling and extras, it's nice to have them if you have infinite amount of money in your pocket but it's not necessary.

My 75quid mobo had been running the 555 up to 4.2-3ghz so obviously you don't need to spend 150+ on mobo to OC, better spend the extra cash on watercooling, that will get you a lot further.
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You'll find most boards aren't capable of the bus speeds a Crosshair IV is capable of.
 
My rig is in my sig. I am a total novice overclocker. It took me about 5 minutes to get my 965 chip to 3.8Ghz with the Crosshair IV.

It will probably go higher, but there is no real need for me as I game.

Saying that, a friend of mine bought the same mobo and chip at the same time in the same shop, and his chip hits 4Ghz easily.

It is the luck of the draw. Good mobo for a novice though, and it looks the business. :)
 
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You'll find most boards aren't capable of the bus speeds a Crosshair IV is capable of.
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That's right but what I was saying is that before you get limited by the FSB, you'll get limited by temps so unless you run custom high end water or at least D14 with push pull in a good case AND get a good chip on top of that you are very unlikely to even get close to the point where mobo is limiting you.

Even some of the 30-40quid mobos will get you to 3.6-3.8ghz and that's where most people will sit at anyways unless they go for noisy high end air or custom water which you probably know from your own experience already.


Where 30-40 mobo is lacking features and extra PCI-E slots and cooling, a 70-80 one already has all of that and a 100one is just like the asus without the extra bling.
 
Hey jakesnake,

as you can see once somebody starts dealing the "truth" it opens a can of worms and people that have wasted good money on a pipedream get all defensive and attack! :p

I'm only making an effort on your behalf to steer you in the right direction, get you a very super computer built (and overclocked) and leave as much of your cash in your pocket ££

Obviously feel free to purchase anything you want, it's your money and your hobby but all I ask is you at least consider the benefits before being duped into parting with more cash than you really need to spend . . . . when the overclocking scene was formed back in the 90's the ideology behind it was getting the maximum amount of performance from as little expenditure as possible i.e less cash £££ more performance . . . however fast-forward to the present day it seems a whole industry has spawned that is intent on extracting as much cash as possible from your wallet . . . from a business perspective this makes sense . . .from an overclocking and ethical sense its makes not a lot of sense! ;)

From your previous thread I have "assumed" you are a novice with a bit of cash to burn, looking for some advice on how to choose cost effective components, to build yourself a really nice and capable 2010 uBer system . . . nobody in this forums (inc me) has the right to tell you what is and what is not an "uBer" system . . .

My personal "modus operandi" to you and every other overclocker is to give you down-to-earth advice on buying hardware and getting the best out of your hardware . . . my time is freely given and there is no personal financial incentive on my behalf to "entice" you into buying expensive hardware because "it's cool" . . . sadly what you must realise is that not everyone you speak to in these forums can say the same . . . some of them are actually not really trying to help you and instead attempting to separate you from your money! :(

At the end of the day you don't know me apart from my words and reasons and you don't know anybody else . . . the simple rule I thumb I impart to you is don't be fooled into spending money for reasons you do not understand and that the people "suggesting" you spend heaps of mulla ££ do not carefully explain to you . . . it's that simple! ;)

As an example . . .if you have finally decided to go the AMD route (great bang-for-buck choice!) then this is the really tasty motherboard that is a bit OTT for a novice but will serve your needs really well!

Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H

£104.99 inc

If anyone suggests to you that you should spend a single penny more then get them to explain the reasons why . . . if they can't explain the reasons in a rational and logical way so you can understand there probably isn't a rational and logical reason . . .why on earth would anyone spend money for no reason? . . .there always has to be a good reason unless you just got money to burn (fair enough!) . . .

if you feel this board is a little expensive still there are quite a few other more affordable options . . . please also bare in mind there is constant "zeitgeist" with computing hardware (think of woman with their shoes) there will always be a never ending chain of "uBer" hardware . . .what is super expensive and super hyped today has a very good chance of being outmoded in a few months time and depreciating in value . . . What is the point exactly of spending the most cash £££ on the very best hardware possible if in a few months something even better and even faster comes out :confused: . . . . surely the sensible option is to buy something that "more" than handles the tasks you need it for and then some!

Overclocking addicts will keep buying and selling, buying and selling just to keep their e-slong up to date, a lot of these people don't even use half the computers power or capability but as long as they are "seen" to have the latest and greatest the effort and expense is worth it! :o

I'm always here to help if you need it, if there is anything you are not sure about or do not understand I am happy to explain it to you . . . . apart from that take care and have fun! :cool:
 
:eek: this thread is hotting up lol :)

ive said this in other threads ive started but ill refresh for the guys helping me and new guys who have taken an interest in helping me build my new rig ;)

the main and core purpose of my current & previous rigs has been gaming. pc's blow consoles clean out of the water all day long, its not my opinion its FACT! (rafa benitez)

i bought Bad company 2 last week and the current rig isnt up to it even on lowest settings. So im looking to build a BEAST to slap it in the face and eat up any new game that comes along in the next couple of years.

ill get a 470 or 5870 GPU now but i want that to be the only thing i upgrade a bit down the line. so if its possible id like to get a solid board and cpu in place now so i wont have to upgrade them until im looking to build another new rig in a few years.

since im going for AMD im liking the look of the 1055T because i dont think games are going to overload that anytime soon. im still not 100% on the board yet but ther is a few front runners.

I just wanna learn to overclock for sumthing else to do. weather i turn fnatical we will just have to wait and see lol


I just wanna say thanks to every1 whos looking out and dropping in on my threads. ive said before and will say again your information and suggestions is priceless.;)


may the build continue lol:D
 
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You're seem to be at it again Wayne, generalising, sterotyping and passing off your opinions as fact...

I have that board, and while I think it's great and would recommend it to anyone, I wouldn't say things along the lines of, "If anyone suggests to you that you should spend a single penny more then get them to explain the reasons".

No one has told him to do anything, everyone apart from you have offered opinions, it's only you who persistantly puts up your opinion as fact.

I haven't tried overclocking with this board yet apart from attempting to get my 1600mhz ram to run at 1600mhz. (A dismal failure, but I think that's down to the IMC not the board).

The only thing I will stress strongly to jakesnake, is that if you want to overclock, generally speaking the 95w CPUs give the best "bang for buck" option, but you need an expensive board to take them all the way. However, on the board that I have and Wayne posted, it should manage to go over 4ghz in my opinion.

Also, congrats to you for waiting for advice, I rushed in and while there's nothing wrong with my build, I got a C2 965 when the C3 chips came out less than a month later, which were better overclockers. Damn it.
 
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its going to be about 2/3 weeks before i actually place my order, so it will be interesting to see wot develops from now until then regarding new hardware forcing a price drop shockwave ;)

yeah the GA-890GPA-UD3H is looking good with the usb3.0 and sata6 which i want to pair up with my first SSD drive :)
 
SATA3 6gbps, would love to see SATA6, 1tbps anyone? :p

It is a good board, I haven't tried overclocking on it yet but I hear good things.

The only new hardware due out at the moment really is the ATI 6*** series and a few nVidia cards I think, the 8** motherboards have just come out, no more AMD chips due until 2011 that I know of.

Have you considored a pre-overclocked bundle from OCUK?
 
Happy to help jake. I've enjoyed talking through your options and hearing other peoples suggestions....even though wayne is starting to test my nerves i do honestly think he has your best interest at heart.....he just needs to work on his diplomacy ;p

I know your doing your homework. Have you thought of going on youtube, many people do unboxing videos of the mobos and show off their overclocks. My one complaint of the OC website is that the info on the products is a lil spartan, a unboxing vid will show you what goodies can be found inside.

Now this thread has been moved it has picked up some more helpful followers. It's nice to see some people putting forward a case for the crosshair IV but also seeing other options from others.

Another thing that hasnt really been touched on is overclocking of the GPU, this may only gain you a few fps or so but it's also something you might wanna consider.....especially for a gaming rig.
 
yeah i was about to say wen u recommended the 95W edition that it only comes in the overclocked bundles and you cant buy them single. i want to try overclocking myself so that kind of rules out the 1055T 95W and any bundles.

so ive just had a though ther of maybe dropping down to a 965 to get a Watt edition. then who knows maybe it will justify getting a 1090T wen ther price drops again because of bulldozer release. you would see more of an increase from a 965 to a 1090T rather from a 1050T if that makes any sense.

lol i said a couple of replys up that i only wanted to upgrade my cpu a little down the line, now im talking about eventually gettin a 1090T. CRAZZZY!!
 
Hey jakesnake,

as you will observe some new members on OcUk forums seem to think they are "wise" when in truth their knowledge is very little or nothing! :D . . . As long as you always assume your knowledge is very little or nothing and keep an open mind, asking people to give good reasons and explain themselves when they try to convince you to spend, spend, spend you will be fine and you will learn loads and loads! . . . no good reasons, no spendy! :p

I'd also like to point out there is a real risk if you hang out with crazy overclockers you run the risk of becoming an obsessive-compulsive-overclocking addict where basically you never really achieve happiness and essentially become a dog chasing its tail, round and round and round etc . . you will also observe the previous poster cursing his bad luck because he bought a wonderful CPU just a month before another wonderful CPU was released . . . really this is whinging about nothing, in the real world the difference between the two processors is not really meaningful in anyway? . . the truth is one maybe overclocks an extra 5% faster and is certainly not something you would ever notice while using your computer to play games . . .

In the world of e-slong you are nothing if you can't get as good overclock as the next guy and failing to achieve as good an overclock can doom you to become a miserable computer user which is ridiculous as the problem only really exists in peoples minds! :eek: . . . it certainly won't cause you any problems if you actually use your PC for normal tasks instead of sitting in a darkened room running benchmark after benchmark! :o

The people are that helpful to you are the people that argue against "reasons" and not the person . . . please observe how many times people will mention my name but not really address any of the points I make . . . this is because they can't debate (or don't know how to?) so instead they attack the person instead of the arguement? :confused:

So with that mini-waffle out the way and the skills to "Justify" any expenditure you make lets get going . . . .

Bad company 2 looks like a totally awesome game and is gonna run really well on a stock AMD® Phenom™ II X4 . . . you won't even need to overclock that chip to get some serious late night fraggin sessions in, your social life as you know it is gonna end once you unleash the beast :eek:

Just get in clear in your mind the "reasons" you are spending the money for this new build, "slap it in the face and eat up any new game that comes along in the next couple of years" . . . by all means get a little overclocking done when your good and ready but don't be wasting precious fraggin time trying to get a better e-slong than any crazy overclocker . . . he may have a system that runs a few frames-per-second faster than you but all the time he's wasted tweaking this and stress that you would have been plenty of practice in with your sniper rifle! . . . *Head-Shot!* ;)


Your gonna need quite a tasty graphics card!

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lol i said a couple of replys up that i only wanted to upgrade my cpu a little down the line, now im talking about eventually gettin a 1090T. CRAZZZY!!
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I did warn you! :cool:
 
thanks honosuseri, ill have a look on youtube for vids & yeah overclocking a GPU a little sounds good. :)

from INTEL to AMD from 1055T's to 965's and 1090's LOL this hardware business is mental has you all over the show :D
 
Big.Wayne ur a funnyguy as well as a wiseguy lol:)

the faster headshot is defo more important than the extra few fps haha!

thanks for that picture the wee 965 seems to hav that game in the back pocket to me.

excitment is building:D
 
if you dont need a hex core dont get one.

Wayne is totally correct, and i agree with him wholeheartedly.

i see that you are just getting into the 'enthusiast' side of computers.

thats great, computer hardware is fast paced, ever changing and never boring.
you will get urges of 'uprgradeitis', dont worry this is normal
i spend all of my day surrounded by sweet hardware that i cant afford!

if you are gaming, an AMD rig is an excellent choice and as stated, great bang for buck

dont upgrade to keep up with other people, upgrade to keep up with the games you want to play :)
 
Wayne i will happily debate with you big fella, i dont mind the banter. You do have to concede for the most part we have been in agreement. Some of your statements baffle me though. Telling me to buy the crosshair myself, waste money and end up with a deadend chipset yet you are recommending a deadend chipset for less money :s

I can buy the asus mobo for £150 so i feel your being a lil anal over the sake of £50, ive spent that on the bank holiday monday....thats one night not for something i will own for 2 maybe 3 years! I need to renew my main rig but im waiting for the new AMD mobos, I feel if they are backwards compatible with all AMD cpus i'll have a better variety of choice and upgrade paths.

I don't think much will change in the next few weeks jake. Short of the release of the revised ati gfx cards, which wayne and I suggested you hold out for. If anything prices will go down and this banter over £50 will seem irrelevant.

I think a 955(c3) upped to a 965 will be ample for gaming. Mobo choice is your preference, people have made cases for different ones. The 5870 if you can get one cheaper in a few weeks will be great (forget about that 2gig niche card you spec'd) as long as the mobo you choose does xfire properly then you may want a second gfx card further down the line.

Youtube away, i dont know how much experience you have building pc's so investigate that too (thermal paste application etc etc). When it's time to build we will be around to help iron out any hiccups. I think you'll have a lot to offer the community in the near future......hell you better have with all this research your doing lol

If you agree with wayne that i dont reason out my choices.....just say "hono mate what's this bringing to the table?" and i'll go into further detail and it can be discussed further.....although i have faith in you and your ability to suss things out yourself with reviews and other peoples opinions.
 
my first build was about 5years ago with help from a m8.
so i kind of know the basics and a little extra.
it being that long ago i kind of have to resurface it again lol,
reading around the forums and you guys is bringing it back.:)

i do understand that the AM3 is a deadend, but wer im jumping
in at "695" and the potential of a "1090T" i think theres more
than enough Juice left in it to BLITZ gaming for the next few years
and im more than happy with that. keeping my GPU juicy along
the way also ofcourse ;)

by the time it runs out of Gas for wot i need it for, im sure i
can slot myself nicely into a more solid upgrade path.

thanks hono and dont worry id ask you if i needed more info ;)

oh and you could also say that im better learning to overclock with
cheaper hardware, rather than waiting and trying to overclock for the
first time on a pricey BULLDOZER rig lol

^_^
 
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Well cheaper hardware infact can make it more difficult. The more you read up on the subject the limitations of the hardware will become clear.

This is how i think you should look at the situation. You are a gamer right? You set a budget for your build and you divvy out the cash as best you can to each part to get your games running at a constant framerate at a decent resolution.

Ok for arguements sake. You bought the X4 955 and went for the asus crosshair, it was a bit more cash but you figure the overclocking dooberries will help later as the rig ages and you got some cool toys to tinker with when its raining outside ;p For the gfx you nabbed a 5870 and got the quickest ram you could with the lowest timings keeping in budget. Now look at the pic wayne posted.... see how the framerates are around 60fps or slightly more? This is good thats what we want. The only tweaking we did was to up the multiplier to make the 955 a 965, saved £20 for pressing a few keys....bargain!

Fastforward a year. There have been driver updates which have helped keep the gfx card competitive but the day will come when a game is released and your kit just wont maintain the 60fps......so what do we do? We try and push the kit just that lil bit harder before we hand over any more cash.

We can up the cpu speed and the gpu speed, update our drivers. Taking our time and checking its stable and for our patience we are rewarded with some more fps and hopefully hit that 60fps and our rig is now competive again. All is well till the next "breakthrough" game but wait!!! That mobo i invested in can run upto 3 ati cards.....or more economical/practical to run two at 16X. We google benchmarks and see if by doubling up the 5870 (which is now cheap like the budgie) we can get back into the 60fps club without dropping £200+ on another current gfx card.

So we rinse and repeat ;p Until the sad day comes when our poor rig is just too long in the tooth, we have a soft spot for this rig we hand crafted it and it has taught us well.....R.I.P....now onto the next build....the cycle continues.

Now i know there are guys who enjoy overclocking. I can see its appeal, pushing the envelope of tech and seeing what is possible. I like to think of it this way.....you know the saying "necessity is the mother of invention" we find solutions for our problems as they arise, if we were clever and picked the right parts at the start we were able to push the lifespan of our rig and saved some cash!!! (Sometimes you have to spend a lil money to make money lol)
 
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80-100quid mobo is not a cheap hardware, it's high end motherboard.
Crosshair is just extra bling and and a little extra for LN2 maniacs that have the cooling good enough to push the boards and CPUs to the limit.

100quid motherboard is not going to limit you in any way unless you run high end 300-400quid WC setup.
 
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