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RavenXXX2 said:
combined with nvidia's better gains from overlocking make the 460 a very worthy purchase.
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Wow, you're still going on about that? These "Better gains from overclocking" are so unnoticable that it's not worth bringing it up as often as you do. If, and a big if, there's any difference, it's a few percent.

Come on Raven, people did tests showing their 5800s scaling with clock speed just as well as your GTX480, which you were claming firstly scales over the increase in clock speed, then perfectly. That then turned out to be below 100%.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
lol 460 30% slower than a 5850, there's that ATI bias talking again. And who in there right mind would buy a 5850 or 460 to play games at 2560x1600, and it's not even 30% except for maybe L4D, big whoops.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=164


Some would argue the 460 is massively underclocked, they can easily do 800Mhz on the core, most 5850 cards now are not reference so no volt adjustment limiting overlocks greatly, that combined with nvidia's better gains from overlocking make the 460 a very worthy purchase.
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5850 is fine for pretty much the vast Majority of GOOD games at 2560x1600.
Who really want's to play Crysis and Metro? The game-play is rubbish..
 
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kylew said:
Come on Raven, people did tests showing their 5800s scaling with clock speed just as well as your GTX480, which you were claming firstly scales over the increase in clock speed, then perfectly. That then turned out to be below 100%.
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More in depth analysis of overclock scaling on a 5870 975Mhz v 480 825Mhz, yeah the 480 scales way better when overclocked, how much more convincing do you need lol.

This conclusion is a short one and it dictated itself. The HD 5870 overclocks solidly in many cases and once overclocked to about 975/1300 MHz it will in many cases catch the stock GTX 480 when performance is already reasonably close. However, the GTX 480 when it is overclocked also turns into a performance monster and in many cases now runs away from even the overclocked HD 5870. This bodes very well for GF100 Fermi architecture and indicates that NVIDIA has very solid scalable new architecture to build on although it is still on an improving process.

Test was done before the fermi performance drivers came out.
 
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You were talking about a 5850!!!
5850 should have better scaling as the shaders can be fed more easily at the lower clocks!!!

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In your example the 480 is being clocked a few % more than the 5870 over stock clocks.
Can't really do that if your comparing clock% Vs clock% scaling.
 
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Ejizz said:
5850 is fine for pretty much the vast Majority of GOOD games at 2560x1600.
Who really want's to play Crysis and Metro? The game-play is rubbish..
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I think what games are GOOD is a matter of personal preference. I know a lot of people who play or have played crysis and metro so I don't think you can base your argument on that tbh.

The 5850 is still a fine card, however at the 470s current price point there's only one sensible choice really whether it's EOL or not. In fact if it is EOL think of it as a bonus. Good eol'd card> high stock levels> lower prices> more for your money.
 
Actually I take it back, 5850 is fine as long as it is for £200

Pricing goes £170/£200/£225 for 460/5850/470

And performance goes roughly 90%/100%/110%
 
RavenXXX2 said:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=16997&page=10





More in depth analysis of overclock scaling on a 5870 975Mhz v 480 825Mhz, yeah the 480 scales way better when overclocked, how much more convincing do you need lol.

This conclusion is a short one and it dictated itself. The HD 5870 overclocks solidly in many cases and once overclocked to about 975/1300 MHz it will in many cases catch the stock GTX 480 when performance is already reasonably close. However, the GTX 480 when it is overclocked also turns into a performance monster and in many cases now runs away from even the overclocked HD 5870. This bodes very well for GF100 Fermi architecture and indicates that NVIDIA has very solid scalable new architecture to build on although it is still on an improving process.

Test was done before the fermi performance drivers came out.
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Are you being serious? Do you realise 700Mhz to 825Mhz is a larger percentage increase than 850Mhz to 975Mhz? Let's put it in simple terms, the GTX480 is overclocked more than the 5870, so what do you expect?

Why did you pick out Dirt 2? Becuase it "Proves" your point more specifically? :confused:
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Say what? stock 5870 = 850 core + 125Mhz = 975Mhz, stock 480 = 700 core + 125Mhz overclock = 825Mhz...what what.
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Its also around 19% overclock on the gtx480 and around 17% on the 5870. If it was to be a fair test you would have to be running around 1000 core on the 5870.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
lol 460 30% slower than a 5850, there's that ATI bias talking again. And who in there right mind would buy a 5850 or 460 to play games at 2560x1600, and it's not even 30% except for maybe L4D, big whoops.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=164


Some would argue the 460 is massively underclocked, they can easily do 800Mhz on the core, most 5850 cards now are not reference so no volt adjustment limiting overlocks greatly, that combined with nvidia's better gains from overlocking make the 460 a very worthy purchase.
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Which is why the 5850 should drop to 150 quid.
The GTX460 is the better buy at the moment.
 
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Poor scaling right there.
 
Jibber55 said:
Not sure it has affected the value, how do you work this out?
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Resale i meant, but either way, it could still affect the general sales of ATi cards because the drivers have been rather poor since 10.5's and they should be tempted to the GTX 460 as it appears to be the more logical choice with price, performance and drivers in mind.
 
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Martini1991 said:
Which is why the 5850 should drop to 150 quid.
The GTX460 is the better buy at the moment.
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Why should amd drop the 5850 to a price lower than a gtx460. The 5850 is the faster card. The reason has been posted many times by drunk and a few other guys why the 5850 price is fine. I will repeat it for the hard of reading. Amd are having no problem getting rid of there 5850's at the current price and are making profit on them so why would they drop prices to make less profit when they are already shifting all the cards they can manufacture.
 
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