The pope. Popeing about.

Not unless you can catogrally say such events did not happen. Even then it only shows that story to be wrong, there is lots of history in the bible things like pharos and time lines. Whilst rembering translations, explanations in a time where they didn't know what we know. As well as the bible is a collection of books with differing opinions on which books should be included. Modern bible was assembled overseen by a roman empire who did not decide what was included on religious terms.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
The only thing that matters outside of science is the individuals beliefs and benchmarks.
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It's so staggering to me that swathes of the human race subscribe to something so totally ridiculous.

AcidHell2 said:
Not unless you can catogrally say such events did not happen.
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Again with the silliness in terms of what constitutes sensible.
 
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Why?
If you suddenly started getting random visions or anything else many people say they experience, how would you react.

Howabout near death experiences and tunnels of lights etc, you can not say how you would react to such things.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Not unless you can catogrally say such events did not happen. Even then it only shows that story to be wrong, there is lots of history in the bible things like pharos and time lines. Whilst rembering translations, explanations in a time where they didn't know what we know. As well as the bible is a collection of books with differing opinions on which books should be included. Modern bible was assembled overseen by a roman empire who did not decide what was included on religious terms.
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It's interesting to note that even the Jews themselves have now cast doubt on the Exodus story:

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Strictly speaking, there has never been any clear evidence discovered in Egypt, or elsewhere, to support the Israelite Exodus from Egypt, though there is no small amount of conjecture and theories. In fact, today it is fashionable, among Egyptologists, archaeologists and even some Jewish scholars to doubt the whole biblical story.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Why?
If you suddenly started getting random visions or anything else many people say they experience, how would you react.

Howabout near death experiences and tunnels of lights etc, you can not say how you would react to such things.
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I think I would put it down to a physical condition, or insanity. The human brain is a complicated thing, and it's down to chemicals and compounds, not spirits and holy intervention.
 
It may well be but these experiences are very powerfully, you can't really say how you would react till such an event happens.

There are loads of people who didn't belive in anything like us, untill they had near death and out of body experiences and now belive there is more to life.


One thing they did do was put coloured shapes and objects on top of cabinets and the link in the ER rooms, with at least some people identfying them. However never been able to find the results of the study.
 
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The Adam & Eve story is now considered doubtful, genetics prove otherwise

The Noah's ark story is just downright infeasible even by today's standards

one by one - bit by bit ....
 
It's not one by one is it. You haven't showen anything. There has been extremely large floods in the area. World does not have to mean world, but just the land those people know.

Genetics does not show anything unless you take the story literally.
 
izzy eckerslike said:
The Adam & Eve story is now considered doubtful, genetics prove otherwise

The Noah's ark story is just downright infeasible even by today's standards

one by one - bit by bit ....
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Not if Adam and Eve are allegorical and representative of rival tribes or ancient societies.

Noahs Ark could well have been representative of the creation of the Bosphorus, again an oral tradition passed down through hundreds of generations not neccessarily meant as literal truth.
 
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It's not one by one is it. You haven't showen anything. There has been extremely large floods in the area. World does not have to mean world, but just the land those people know.

Genetics does not show anything unless you take the story literally.
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You mean a local flood ? i.e. the annual inundation of the Nile then, that was local so I expect a boat big enough for camels,donkeys & goats is perfectly feasible so no need to ask embarrassing questions such as where did Noah get Penguins & Polar bears from :rolleyes:


Why is it that when a biblical story is shown to be ludicrous we are told not to take it literally ? that should apply to the whole book if you take that line of reasoning.

The story of Noah's ark & Adam & Eve is ingrained in every schoolkids head as being fact, I don't recall teachers being told to tell the kids it's not true really.
 
There have been much much bigger floods than that. Again there aren't penguins in the region a world flood to them would be the regions they know. They didn't have aircraft and satellite ingaingbto realise how bog the world is.

It's not a recent thing the storys have been looked at for ages with different opions. When you get anything so old it is open to interpretation as you do not have the writer to ask or clarify. You make it sound like the bible is the only thing open to interpretation. When most of history is open to interpretation.
 
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We agree on something then that the bible shouldn't be considered literal truth.

That makes it a book of fiction by definition
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No it doesn't. It makes it a book of spiritual guidance with a mixture of allegory and oral historical tradition. Let's also not confuse the Old Testament with the New Testament or the fact that the bible is a collection of books and scriptures and not a single work.
 
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Not if Adam and Eve are allegorical and representative of rival tribes or ancient societies.

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that bit almost slipped by/\


explain how the supposed only two humans on the planet with one apparently created from the rib of the other, hang on, & I'm trying to keep a straight face here - where does the rival tribes fit into the equation?
 
Castiel said:
No it doesn't. It makes it a book of spiritual guidance with a mixture of allegory and oral historical tradition. Let's also not confuse the Old Testament with the New Testament or the fact that the bible is a collection of books and scriptures and not a single work.
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For a claimed agnostic you are certainly prepared to fight to the death to defend the bible regardless of how bizarre some of the stories are, mind you don't trip over that dictionary :p
 
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that bit almost slipped by/\


explain how the supposed only two humans on the planet with one apparently created from the rib of the other, hang on, & I'm trying to keep a straight face here - where does the rival tribes fit into the equation?
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The rib being allegorical for an offshoot from the original single Tribe of Man.

Think for yourself man...what's the matter with you. :p
 
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