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ATI Crashes - Compatibility or just the norm?

You can never be sure what the problem is but I cannot say to you 'yes 80 degrees idle is perfectly fine :/', god knows what temps it must reach after some heavy gaming.

I don't understand how you have the card at 80 degrees idle, my friend had a bog standard 4870 from powercolor and it was around 40-50 idle, gaming probably never touched 80. I want to know how you are achieveing 80 degrees idle tbh, if your case has great airflow and the cooler on the gpu is not blocked with dust then I can only assume there is poor contact between the cooler and the gpu. You should have RMA'd the card when it was still in warranty, regardless of whether it was crashing.

Having a card at 80 degrees constantly whether 1,2 or 3 years could cause many problems.
 
IIRC with my 4870 it was left at like 0% fan speed by default unless I changed it. Put it up to around 30% (or whatever is bearable as they were a tad loud) and see if that helps.
 
craig3000 said:
You can never be sure what the problem is but I cannot say to you 'yes 80 degrees idle is perfectly fine :/', god knows what temps it must reach after some heavy gaming.

I don't understand how you have the card at 80 degrees idle, my friend had a bog standard 4870 from powercolor and it was around 40-50 idle, gaming probably never touched 80. I want to know how you are achieveing 80 degrees idle tbh, if your case has great airflow and the cooler on the gpu is not blocked with dust then I can only assume there is poor contact between the cooler and the gpu. You should have RMA'd the card when it was still in warranty, regardless of whether it was crashing.

Having a card at 80 degrees constantly whether 1,2 or 3 years could cause many problems.
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Weather you choose to believe it or not the 4870s when they first came out did run at 80c idle and it was perfectly normal for them to, it was something to do with how ATI set the fan profile. Maybe this was fixed in the later cards.

Heck look at a thread here on OcUK from 2008, notice all the idle temps

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17894674

I very much doubt every single one of them had poor case cooling and/or faulty cards.
 
I take it you are playing games online. From my experience using both brands you will get crashes depending on what games you are playing. I would say that mmo's seem to give more crashes than any other type of game. I never got any crashes playing lfd though using 3870,8800gtx and my current card 5770.

Single player games never crash for me but i used to have a lot more games hang on me if i was playing online which probably was nothing to do with my machine as most people on my vent or ts server were having the odd crash to.

I personally don't know anyone who games online that does not crash every now and then. I used to play a lot of competitive fps in the leagues and hardly a match went by without us or the opposition having to pause a match because a player from either side had crashed.

I guess to sum up when playing online its normal to crash now and then.
 
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Broken Hope said:
Weather you choose to believe it or not the 4870s when they first came out did run at 80c idle and it was perfectly normal for them to, it was something to do with how ATI set the fan profile. Maybe this was fixed in the later cards.

Heck look at a thread here on OcUK from 2008, notice all the idle temps

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17894674

I very much doubt every single one of them had poor case cooling and/or faulty cards.
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Yes I do remember that issue now but that was fan related and fixed via drivers IIRC, the main point is 80 degrees idle is not good. And the card I gave as an example was from around launch time actually!
 
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craig3000 said:
Yes I do remember that issue now but that was fan related and fixed via drivers IIRC, the main point is 80 degrees idle is not good. And the card I gave as an example was from around launch time actually!
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The thing is that whilst the cards idle at 80 degrees they tend to hit a load temp of 83-85 degrees for the most part which is well under the danger zone for a GPU. I had one running for at least a year at those temps without a single crash.
 
I decided to install the 10.9's last night. Worked for an hour then suddenly, this pops up :

"ATI 5970 Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\atidxx32.dll"

I noticed direct compute was disabled in gpu-z and no dx10 games would launch. As an added bonus my crossfire was disabled and everytime I tried to enable it, I get a loud screech from my speakers and then a blank screen. Even taking out one of my cards, doing an uninstall and going back to previously working 10.5a or 10.7a wouldn't solve it.

Luckily I had a windows backup image so everything is working again. I've gone back to 10.5a. I dunno, up until recently I had no issues with ati, but after upgrading my drivers to 10.7a (as it gave me better crossfire performance), I can get unpredictable behaviour from the odd Gsod in older games like Bioshock which I still haven't completed, to weird things like Crossfire disabling itself, and the occasional displayport corruption (just plugging it out and in sorts it). 10.9 just made everything 10 times as bad as 10.7a. And now with 10.5a back, everything is perfect again, though a little slower.

I really think ATI screwed something up after 10.5a. I'm seriously considering going back to Nvidia even if the 6 series is faster then the 480. I just don't trust their driver team. I know Nvidia have driver issues too. But I haven't seen anywhere near as many issues with Nvidia posted on these forums. :(
 
That might be so. But I bet a lot of 5870/5970 ownders on these forums jumped to nvidia after ati driver issues. Either way you cut it, there is a thread everytime ATI come out with a new driver release, and quite a few regulars end up going back to 10.5 or earlier. It can't be all user error.
 
Flanno said:
That might be so. But I bet a lot of 5870/5970 ownders on these forums jumped to nvidia after ati driver issues. Either way you cut it, there is a thread everytime ATI come out with a new driver release, and quite a few regulars end up going back to 10.5 or earlier. It can't be all user error.
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Iv been with ATI for over 5 years, and harld ever have I had a gpu or gpu driver related crash.

If you are overclocking, I would investigate that first as most probably thats the problem your having.

You could try reformating your pc, and installing latest drivers fresh.

Also I dont recommend install driver on top of existing drivers.... same here say they do it all the time. Well it takes n extra few minuites to unistall before, and I like the peace of mind.
 
As I mentioned before, there isn't a single think overclocked on my rig and I have reformat my HDD and installed W7 on here about five times in the past year with the exact same crashing issue present after all fresh installs.

I'll try uninstalling my driver before updating it, that is a good tip so we'll see if it manages to work.
 
i think i had the same problem before, but for some reason the problem seem to have been gone now

i use to use vista 32 but now on windows7 64
and also upgraded ram from 2gig to 4gig
not saying this will solve problem but its gone for me
i keep my driver and windows up to date, not had problems lately
 
Well I uninstalled the previous driver before installing the update, but no change. :(

ishoevi - it's actually quite weird you just said that because seconds ago I decided to install my spare 4Gig of RAM. So now I have 8 Gig. I know W7 utilizes the amount of memory you have installed so let's see if that helps. Seems a little silly that running 8 Gig of RAM would be a requirement or even the solution but fingers are crossed.
 
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Have to say i've had a 4850 early adopter and early adopter of a 5770 and have had nothing but smooth sailing the whole way through.
 
Flanno said:
That might be so. But I bet a lot of 5870/5970 ownders on these forums jumped to nvidia after ati driver issues. Either way you cut it, there is a thread everytime ATI come out with a new driver release, and quite a few regulars end up going back to 10.5 or earlier. It can't be all user error.
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Something has changed after 10.5 indeed as my Driver Sweeper test after using it would not install any ATI driver after 10.5.

Only after a system restore to before Driver Sweeper could i then install drivers upto 10.9a again.
 
This is the bugger that I see again... and again... AND AGAIN... AND AGGAAAAIINN.

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