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AMD's 6870 coming in November - Early silicon doing very well

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Apparently AMD have got their 'fabric' together...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/09/24/amds-6870-coming-november/

"In another turn of events, unlike the last round of cards bearing the last three digits of 870, this round should have very plentiful supply. While there will always be initial shortfalls due to demand, this time around wafer supplies are much higher. To top it off, yields are very good, the first batch of silicon from the fab is yielding far better than 5870/Cypress did at the same stage."
 
Meaker said:
If yields did not improve after the 40nm process had matured I would be worried.
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Yeh the process has no doubt matured a little (probably not that much as Nv still having yield issues), but if the yields are allot better now with the die size being larger then that's actually quite impressive.
 
Meaker said:
If yields did not improve after the 40nm process had matured I would be worried.
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The same site reported about 6 months ago AMD were getting the same yield on 40nm as they were on the previous process how high that was gwad only knows but it's not as if there's a whole bunch of 'pre-order' tags plastered all over the store these days.

For whatever reason I don't feel these cards will have the same demand as the first generation 40nm parts had as A) performance increases aren't expected to be as big as before and B) current hardware plays all of today's game really fast and C) With the 5000 series you could start experiencing DX11 out the box (Dirt 2 came pre-packaged with the cards) which created a sense of wonder and excitement as we were entering the age of DX11. These new cards aren't expected to bring anything new to the plate. And as a result there should be much better supply for those of us who do want to upgrade!
 
Duff-Man said:
Any particular reason to think this, or is that just speculation? :confused:
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The green haired clown reports lingering yield issues even with GF104, but my comment was also based on observation GF104 and GF106 (To a lesser extent) wouldn't be partially handicapped if they wasn't, but maybe these will get better with later revisions.
I doubt GF100 would ever provide good yields at 40nm simply because of the size and the darn 'fabric'.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The same site reported about 6 months ago AMD were getting the same yield on 40nm as they were on the previous process how high that was gwad only knows but it's not as if there's a whole bunch of 'pre-order' tags plastered all over the store these days.

For whatever reason I don't feel these cards will have the same demand as the first generation 40nm parts had as A) performance increases aren't expected to be as big as before and B) current hardware plays all of today's game really fast and C) With the 5000 series you could start experiencing DX11 out the box (Dirt 2 came pre-packaged with the cards) which created a sense of wonder and excitement as we were entering the age of DX11. These new cards aren't expected to bring anything new to the plate. And as a result there should be much better supply for those of us who do want to upgrade!
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I think this generation has the potential to sell very well, my main reasoning for this is that AMD said they would drop pricing should supply be sufficient this round to keep up with demand.
The very prospect of lower prices and higher value will drive demand.
Also at the end of the day all the people on their 8/9800's will have to upgrade eventually.
 
Meaker said:
If yields did not improve after the 40nm process had matured I would be worried.
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don't forget this is a bigger chip so IMO if the yields per wafer were the same as when the 5870 first came out that would actually be pretty good
 
of course it is doing well or we would have seen damage control ala Nvidia if that wasnt the case.

I look forward a new super card again ;)
 
I'm a little worried by this release to be honest. Does anyone remember when the 5850s were £250, and the 5870s £340+? ATI's dominance in the market with their 5 series has allowed them to keep their prices high, and only recently have they started to reduce them due to pressure from Nvidia, not a good thing for us poor consumers.
Should the 6 series be a good deal more powerful, ATI will once more have no competition at the high end, and nothing to check their pricing. Expensive cards here we come!
 
Mojo said:
I'm a little worried by this release to be honest. Does anyone remember when the 5850s were £250, and the 5870s £340+? ATI's dominance in the market with their 5 series has allowed them to keep their prices high, and only recently have they started to reduce them due to pressure from Nvidia, not a good thing for us poor consumers.
Should the 6 series be a good deal more powerful, ATI will once more have no competition at the high end, and nothing to check their pricing. Expensive cards here we come!
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With a smaller performance gap and no DirectX advantage the distance is much smaller.

Well clocked GTX460s could at least keep the mid range price point competative and the GTX470 and 480 should hopefully be able to be brought down in price.
 
IMO if yields are as good as they say and AMD are smart we'll see them come in at just above GTX 470 price for the 6870, if it's good enough then we should see nvidia either dropping prices dramatically but not enough to make it better than the 68xx Price/performance wise or they will do what they did at the end of GT200, stop manufacturing them for a while until their next gen can be released. Then AMD can hike up the prices and make a bigger profit.
 
High end cards have always been expensive, the only times they have been more reasonable has been when facing some kind of really intense competion pressue, as was the case with the GTX280 that quickly settled around the £250 mark

Had ATI not had a strong competitor card that forced Nvidia to re-price the card, i'm sure it would have been £350+ during most of it's lifespan
 
Ejizz said:
Yeh the process has no doubt matured a little (probably not that much as Nv still having yield issues), but if the yields are allot better now with the die size being larger then that's actually quite impressive.
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Nvidias fermi is still the same silicon so still does little to get around certain process flaws.

We still dont know what size the chips are.

Certainly if they are much larger and yields are much better then that would be very impressive.
 
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