6770 full specs

[Freddie1980]

The 6770 is certainly the most interesting card to try and predict with any degree of accuracy as the £160-£180 price bracket is AMD’s only weak area. They had the 5830 in their but it was close in performance to the 5770 and to close in price to the 5850 and the GTX460 came along and knocked it for six.

This is surely the area were AMD want to tighten up on and they know Nvidia will find it hard to sallow more discounting as the GTX460 is already competitively priced but the die is as large as a 5870 which retails for £130 more so it can’t be that hard for AMD to compete in this area.

Anyone want to predict what a 2nd hand 5770 is going to be worth by the end of the year?

 

[RobotGirl]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say £400 for the 6870, new toys are always more expensive

 

[R088ieS86]

Why is the 6770's clock speed so high? it looks like a tweaked Oc'd 5850. or is that exactly what is supposed to be?

 

[skotish|]

My question is drumm rolll ................. would these cards in question be a bottleneck to

my phenom x4 965be ? cheers guys

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

That makes no sense at all. The 6870 will more then likely have a larger die then the 5870 which means less chips per wafer so if they sell at the same price that means less margin. Given the 5870 is still selling like hot cakes why would AMD deliberately cut there own margins just to sell a faster chip?

It's not likely to be that much bigger though is it?

It'd be interesting to see what sales of the 5850 and 5870 have been like since nvidias price cuts.

AMD are there to make as much return as they can for their shareholders and they most likely don't give a damn about what Nvidia are up to or what there strategy is and aren't looking to drive them out of the business at the expense of profit.

Of course they are concerned with what Nvidia is up to. The competition dictates what they can price their products at, and how many they'll sell.

Another misconception is that people think there is this liner relationship between sales units and the cost of a card where the cheaper end cards sell many more then anything else i.e most of AMD unit sales come from the 5570 type cards and the fewest is the 5870 level. In actually fact research from either John Peddle or Mercury research suggests AMD have sold nearly as many enthusiast level cards as they have low end cards and in actual fact it’s the mid range cards (5770’s etc) that sell the least.

I find it difficult to believe that there's more people out there will to spend over £200 on a graphics card than at the mainstream £100ish price point.. Do you have a link for that? Sounds interesting, but my google skills are failing me today and I can only find quarterly ATI/AMD profits...

 

[Freddie1980]

That makes no sense at all. The 6870 will more then likely have a larger die then the 5870 which means less chips per wafer so if they sell at the same price that means less margin. Given the 5870 is still selling like hot cakes why would AMD deliberately cut there own margins just to sell a faster chip?

It's not likely to be that much bigger though is it?

It'd be interesting to see what sales of the 5850 and 5870 have been like since nvidias price cuts.



Of course they are concerned with what Nvidia is up to. The competition dictates what they can price their products at, and how many they'll sell.



I find it difficult to believe that there's more people out there will to spend over £200 on a graphics card than at the mainstream £100ish price point.. Do you have a link for that? Sounds interesting, but my google skills are failing me today and I can only find quarterly ATI/AMD profits...

There is a whole story on it somewhere I see if I can dig it up but like you when I first heard it I couldn't believe that high end card outsold the mid range products.

Don't get me wrong AMD will respond to market factors including what there competitors do but they know as of right now whatever Nvidia does they can respond by cutting prices (if needed because lets face it prices haven't exactly tumbled over the last year). But the point I was trying to make was AMD aren’t in the business of trying to send Nvidia bankrupt by discounting their cards so deep that it forces Nvidia out of the market as right now their making good returns on all their products and high end solutions are still selling well so why rock the boat?

 

[kylew]

I clearly remember them being £600+

Read beyond "no they weren't" please, as I said "they were heavily price gouged, and that wasn't their real price". In other words, just because some places were badly price gouging them, it doesn't mean they weren't available at or very close to their "real" prices, or "RRP".

 

[treehouse786]

My question is drumm rolll ................. would these cards in question be a bottleneck to

my phenom x4 965be ? cheers guys

i would love to know this aswel, feel a bit cheated because i was under the impression that bulldozer would be AM3 compatible, if these phenoms are not good enough for the upcoming ati cards then it would mean a motherboard change for me (just bough this motherboard 2 months ago)

 

[Jono8]

excited potential new graphics card buyer is excited (me )

 

[straxusii]

According to your logic a 7770 will be £300 then. They aren't going to almost double the pricing of the X770 just because it's faster than the competition. I really don't get people on here sometimes, when a new release is close by, they suddenly forget how to think rationally and forget everything about the orevios generation.

Not aimed at you Kyle but I recall this time last year and people were saying exactly same thing about the 5870, why would it be £300 when the 4870 was £220.

From what I have read AMD felt they underpriced the 5870 so I'm expecting 6870 to be about £350.

 

[straxusii]

No they weren't, some were heavily price gouged, but that wasn't the price. Thecretail price was £420 or so. We pay the current $ >£ conversion plus VAT. That's the way it's been for a long time, the while "rip off Britain tax" is mostly untrue. How about replying to the rest of my post though?

Not if you are talking inc vat Kyle, the 5970 was over £500 at launch, it's only now come down to sub £450

 

[Cooper]

i would love to know this aswel, feel a bit cheated because i was under the impression that bulldozer would be AM3 compatible, if these phenoms are not good enough for the upcoming ati cards then it would mean a motherboard change for me (just bough this motherboard 2 months ago)

why would a 965BE be a bottleneck to these cards?..

From what i've read, the new AMD chips next year are expected to be about 10-15% faster clock for clock...same with Intel's new Sandybridge range.

The first bulldozer CPU's arent going to offer miraculous levels of power compared to current Phenom II's.

I would expect an Overclocked 965 (3.6Ghz+) to be just as fast as a Bulldozer CPU @ Stock speeds.

 

[Jono8]

So if the 6770 offers similar performance to the 5870 then surely the 6850/6870 cards will be awesome in terms of performance

This finally might be the window for me to upgrade in. I always like to buy a new single card that will be at least double the performance of my old one.

 

[Greebo]

Not aimed at you Kyle but I recall this time last year and people were saying exactly same thing about the 5870, why would it be £300 when the 4870 was £220.

From what I have read AMD felt they underpriced the 5870 so I'm expecting 6870 to be about £350.

A lot of that was exchange rate. When the 4870 was launched we had over $2 to the pound. When the 5870 was launched it was $1.4. There was only $80 or about £50 in it ignoring exchange changes.

Not if you are talking inc vat Kyle, the 5970 was over £500 at launch, it's only now come down to sub £450

No, it was £469 at launch list price inc VAT. Anything more than that was price gouging. And to compare it to older cards when they were launched at $2:£1 it would have been only £351 inc VAT.

I have posted often that contrary to popular belief, the fastest high end cards by both Nvidia and ATI are no more than in the past and quite often less. It is only the poor exchange rate which makes us think they are more expensive. Factor in that $449 10 years ago was a hell of a lot more in real terms than $449 today, and they are quite cheap relatively.

List price at launch in US dollars.

x1950xtx $449
8800 GTX $599
8800 Ultra $799
gtx 280 $649
9800 GX2 $599
HD 4870 $299
HD 5870 $379
HD 5970 $599
GTX 480 $499

So the gtx 480 is only $50 more expensive than a x1950xtx was and $100 cheaper than a 8800GTX at launch.

To me, if the 6 series is a killer performance wise, then I can see them putting the 6870 out at $399 and the lower range priced accoringly under it.

 

[straxusii]

Don't know about list price but real price including VAT was over £500 for months and months for 5970 across all etailers, not just the initial gouging.

 

[Trunks9486]

They wont blow us away with the pricing. They will offer competing/slightly better value but thats it.

With 4xxx they needed to undercut nvidia to gain mindshare.

 

[skotish|]

why would a 965BE be a bottleneck to these cards?..

From what i've read, the new AMD chips next year are expected to be about 10-15% faster clock for clock...same with Intel's new Sandybridge range.

The first bulldozer CPU's arent going to offer miraculous levels of power compared to current Phenom II's.

I would expect an Overclocked 965 (3.6Ghz+) to be just as fast as a Bulldozer CPU @ Stock speeds.

Thanks for saving me £300 notes m8

 

[An Exception]

Anyone want to predict what a 2nd hand 5770 is going to be worth by the end of the year?

Interesting point, it kind of spells the end of the GTS 450 which has a much larger die in comparison.

 

[Scougar]

Not confirmed so don't get your hopes up just yet...

 

[kylew]

Not aimed at you Kyle but I recall this time last year and people were saying exactly same thing about the 5870, why would it be £300 when the 4870 was £220.

From what I have read AMD felt they underpriced the 5870 so I'm expecting 6870 to be about £350.

I was one of those people raving about it, though to be fair the price difference between a 5870 and a 4870 wasn't that high, it was just because of the exchange rate that messed the prices up. The dollar price is what I'm talking about as that's what we pay (the current exchange rate + VAT).