Why do you think people don’t like the Police?

semi-pro waster said:
Unfortunately for you the law does have the right to control you to an extent, you can complain/disagree/whinge about it as much as you like. There are certain things that I could agree the law might be better off not attempting to regulate but believing that it doesn't have the right is you on a hiding to nothing.
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It doesn't. By definition of me not accepting it has the right, it loses it. It has no right other than the right created by itself. When I am caught not following one of it's many oppressions I can only take the punishment. The alternative is to fight for my freedom, but the law will happily kill or imprison me (tantamount to torture) if I do that.
semi-pro waster said:
That law was wrong and I am of the belief that law should generally be restricted to a minimal interference in others lives wherever possible - that's very different to saying that there is no room for laws and that they should have no jurisdiction over you.
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Until 'law' changes from the monster that it is in to something respectful and decent, then I completely disregard it as a concept. It may as well not exist to me in its entirety. I cannot look to an entity as a protector of my freedom and liberty as an individual, when I know it is all too happy to infringe on those freedoms and liberties when I do something it doesn't like. I simply live according to what I see as fair, peaceful and respectful (most of the time, I'm not perfect).
semi-pro waster said:
So don't move then and don't complain about the prevailing law, as I've pointed out beyond the age of majority you've tacitly accepted that you will be governed by the law of the country - if you don't like it then try to find somewhere better. The majority of the country seem to get by just fine with the law we've got - are you really selfish enough to think that your wants override their needs?
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The only places in the world I have the freedom or ability to relocate to have similar problems.

The majority of the country rarely stop to think about how the world works, what they are, who they are, the implications of what they do, about fairness, equality, peaceful coexistence, human desire and so on. I would not be me if I simply accepted what the majority do as what I should do.

Additionally, I find it quite funny that you consider it my "wants" but everyone else's "needs". You are completely wrong. Nobody "needs" to control anyone else's peaceful behaviour, ever. They simply "want" to because it is not a behaviour they enjoy. That is a case of wants overriding needs.
semi-pro waster said:
So you're against rubbish laws then? Fine, I'm generally against rubbish laws too but it's a rather different thing to say you've got no respect for the whole institution and call it a flawed concept - some of the laws implemented are flawed, the idea is still just dandy.
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I do not support the law as it exists today. I cannot take piecemeal from it what I consider acceptable and pretend the rest doesn't exist, so I reject it whole. However, I continue to be constrained by it.
 
I’ve had good and bad dealings with them but not enough to say I like or dislike them. But I do respect them for what they have to do and value the role they have in this country.
 
People do like the police.

Just a case of the people that don't like the police being more vocal and getting more media coverage.
 
PMKeates said:
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well a lot of it goes back to the 70's and 80's where the police were used as a state weapon to crush those striking.

in france for example, the police does not get involved in such matters, it is down to the military to do the bidding of the state. the police usually support/strike with the workers! (to my feeble knowledge)

oh yea, and the number of inane things they will try to do you for whilst being incapable of dealing with a threat, like Raul Moats. i was watching the news and a copper was trying to explain why they had not found him yet. and he was going on about there being really difficult conditions.

and i was thinking, well its not exactly snow drifts or torrential rain, i mean, what do you wan, for him to drive himself to the polizei station for you?
 
PMKeates said:
It doesn't. By definition of me not accepting it has the right, it loses it. It has no right other than the right created by itself. When I am caught not following one of it's many oppressions I can only take the punishment. The alternative is to fight for my freedom, but the law will happily kill or imprison me (tantamount to torture) if I do that.
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This is entertaining but we're never going to agree on it. The law does have the right, society has given it that right, you exist within society ergo you are subject to the laws - as I say you don't have to like it or agree with it but that is the way it is.

Prison is tantamount to torture? Is this only as a punishment for crimes that you don't agree with that it is torture or do you extend it to any prison sentence? If the latter then what do you propose instead?

PMKeates said:
Until 'law' changes from the monster that it is in to something respectful and decent, then I completely disregard it as a concept. It may as well not exist to me in its entirety. I cannot look to an entity as a protector of my freedom and liberty as an individual, when I know it is all too happy to infringe on those freedoms and liberties when I do something it doesn't like. I simply live according to what I see as fair, peaceful and respectful (most of the time, I'm not perfect).
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Essentially the argument seems to be that a few bad laws and you disregard the whole lot? Well it's an interesting idea, one with no foundation that I can see aside from "I don't like it".

PMKeates said:
The only places in the world I have the freedom or ability to relocate to have similar problems.

The majority of the country rarely stop to think about how the world works, what they are, who they are, the implications of what they do, about fairness, equality, peaceful coexistence, human desire and so on. I would not be me if I simply accepted what the majority do as what I should do.
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You, however, do think more deeply than the rest of us about how the World works and the implications?

PMKeates said:
Additionally, I find it quite funny that you consider it my "wants" but everyone else's "needs". You are completely wrong. Nobody "needs" to control anyone else's peaceful behaviour, ever. They simply "want" to because it is not a behaviour they enjoy. That is a case of wants overriding needs.I do not support the law as it exists today.
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I chose my words carefully there, it is a want from you because you believe you should not be subject to the law - that somehow you should be above or outside it. It is the needs of the majority because they require the guidelines and the promise of protection and/or justice being done for them if they are transgressed against.

PMKeates said:
I cannot take piecemeal from it what I consider acceptable and pretend the rest doesn't exist, so I reject it whole. However, I continue to be constrained by it.
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I see, there's not much more to be said here then, you reject it - that means not much in the scheme of things but noted anyway.
 
Because they are more interested in those hardened criminals who do 40mph in a 30mph than turning up to rescue people from a hostage situation where loaded weapons are involved. Or in NI they just don't turn up at all sometimes if they think it's too dangerous.

They never fail to show up when some quick money is to be made with the speed cameras though.
 
To say that I don't like the police would be a generalisation but I certainly despise the types who enjoy being on power trips. They're there to protect us so I'm not going to have a go unless they're not doing their job and or power tripping.
 
Probably because we expect the police to be people of the highest moral standing within society, yet even when you get some thug cop abusing his powers the police force will rally to protect him simply because it's more convenient keeping a thug among their ranks than having to train up a decent person.
 
Their quotas of how man fines per year they have to write, and their shafting of hard working people as a result. You're lucky they don't have one in the UK. Basically they're often viewed an extension of the tax services here.
 
wannabedamned said:
^ "Instead of"

I think you'll find its "aswell as"
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Nope where I live they've allowed a public fight to last for about 1/2 hour with officers on the scene before getting 6 officers to break up the fight and tell the perpetrators to go on their way no arrests made and then a couple of weeks later a passer by asks weather a policeman knows if his horse is gay and six squad cars turn up to arrest said bloke.
 
PMKeates said:
I have every right to complain about the law if I break any of its arbitrary regulations. Why shouldn't I? The will of others is being imposed on me, even if what I do is completely peaceful, without justification other than "it's the law". Well, screw the law. I couldn't give a crap about it. I did not choose to be born in to a place and time that controls my existence. I have every right to be alive and to peacefully do as I please. Until the law reflects that fact, I'll have nothing to do with it and will deride it at every opportunity.

You are, however, right on one thing - it's people at the root of the problem. So, why accept a concept created by people to rule over others for the benefit of the few?
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I assume that you would never call on the police in a time of need then?
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
Nope where I live they've allowed a public fight to last for about 1/2 hour with officers on the scene before getting 6 officers to break up the fight and tell the perpetrators to go on their way no arrests made and then a couple of weeks later a passer by asks weather a policeman knows if his horse is gay and six squad cars turn up to arrest said bloke.
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*citation needed*
 
Might be because ANY cop in the land can walk up to you shoot
you several times in the head because he thinks you are a "terrorist"
go oops and walk away without any charges being brought.
 
On the whole, I think they do a difficult job quite well.

They probably come across as unapproachable because they have to deal with scum bags day in, day out. Rather them than me.

Oh, and Road Wars is cool.
 
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