Martial arts for self-defence for rookies - the experts need to be more frank I think.

Semiskimmed said:
bit confused by that last bit, as you say go train in boxing but boxers were getting beat a lot in the early UFC days :p
which other systems are you talking about btw? as a lot of the top mma fighters all have trained in other fighting techniques as a base for their skills.
most other systems do have their own competitions but theyre just not as big as ufc/pride(was)/strikeforce/WEC etc.
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Boxers got their ass kicked in the cage by wrestlers and ju jitsu people, I have never, in all my days of witnessing fights in town, seen anyone go for a double leg or ever even need to think about sprawling in a street fight. It is all standing and banging which is where boxing is at its best.

Useless training systems: Aikido, Wing Chun, Karate (the way Karate is now compared to its kick boxing roots), Wushu, pretty much any Kung Fu, Ninjutsu, Capoeira, Taekwondo

The problem with these "Martial Arts" having their own competition is rules, a real fight contains no rules. In a Taekwondo tournement your not allowed to punch to the face, so we silly antler style hop skotch kicking while leaning back which would get you flattened in a street fight.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
Once you are in conversation range, it is almost impossible to mount any kind of defence in the type of scenario taught at most martial art gyms.
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So which martial art gym does have this amazing defence for avoiding punches at conversation range when it comes as a surprise?

(pro tip, there is no defence to a sucker punch, you just got punched, deal with it)
 
Josh107 said:
Just my two cents anyway, and before the 'lol keyboard warrior!!1!' brigade arrive I completely disagree with fighting in the street and only get involved if I absolutely have to.
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Indeed. Even if you win you will also lose. Examples...

1. Your girlfriend now thinks you are a thug even though you only did what was necessary to avoid being hurt.

2. Your boss hears about the fight and has changed their opinion of you, hampering any chances of promotion.

3. You rip your brand new expensive shirt.

4. The guy you beat down on is now looking for you along with his friends and you can no longer hang out in your favourite bar.

5. You were caught on CCTV and now find yourself defending yourself in court.

It really is a lose lose situation and always best avoided. Most young males cannot walk away though due to pride, ego etc.
 
The first time i was attacked was when i was at college on my way to lunch. a chav jumped off his bike and flew at me like a crazed dog...

After the first few hits to my face i went mental.... remeberd a move i saw on world wrestling and tryed to do it...

You know the one... finishing move where you grab them by the neck and lift them up and then slam them to the ground?

knocked the poor fella out as it was on tarmac :/ after he was down i was realy upset and didnt actually meen to hurt him :(

When i see chavs now i just walk the other way, I have never had training... but i dont handle bad situations well and can just loose it
 
hurfdurf said:
So which martial art gym does have this amazing defence for avoiding punches at conversation range when it comes as a surprise?

(pro tip, there is no defence to a sucker punch, you just got punched, deal with it)
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I think you missed my point. If you let a situation get to a point whereby you are waiting for an attack and are already at conversation range, you have already lost. You cannot defend at this range as its scientifically impossible. It takes around 0.1 secs to throw a punch and far longer for your brain to react to it.

This is why most respected self defence teachers with real world experience will advocate pre-emptive attacks.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
This is why most respected self defence teachers with real world experience will advocate pre-emptive attacks.
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Most will advocate not getting into the situation in the first place, and if you find yourself in one, that you should get out of it. Fighting is a last resort. The principle purposes of normal SD training are a) self-confidence, and b) visible self-confidence. Which means you are much less likely to get attacked in the first place.


But the first lesson, and the last, is: don't be there.



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i think my number one tip for all martial artists is distance and balance, means you can react, move, dodge, charge or the preferred escape.


im only a purple belt in jujitsu, but this is a must to all levels.



rotters
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
I think you missed my point. If you let a situation get to a point whereby you are waiting for an attack and are already at conversation range, you have already lost. You cannot defend at this range as its scientifically impossible. It takes around 0.1 secs to throw a punch and far longer for your brain to react to it.

This is why most respected self defence teachers with real world experience will advocate pre-emptive attacks.
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Zatoichi.uK said:
Once you are in conversation range, it is almost impossible to mount any kind of defence in the type of scenario taught at most martial art gyms, let alone 'block' a punch. It simply does not happen in real world when one person decides how and when a fight starts.
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Sorry, I just figured you meant there was one style that unlike most, worked best.

If you are being punched by someone who is within conversation range then either you were not paying attention to your surroundings or someone has decided to hit you by surprise knowing you wont see it coming, there is nothing that anyone can teach you to stop the latter happening, the martial arts that I outlined will however teach you to roll with the punch or prepare you for what its like to be punched, and how to properly react to it.

Meridian and others are correct however in that, running or not fighting is always the best option, sadly however, sometimes its not an option or your Pride (never die) gets in the way.
 
Meridian said:
Most will advocate not getting into the situation in the first place, and if you find yourself in one, that you should get out of it. Fighting is a last resort. The principle purposes of normal SD training are a) self-confidence, and b) visible self-confidence. Which means you are much less likely to get attacked in the first place.


But the first lesson, and the last, is: don't be there.



M
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I completely agree but most martial arts will never teach this aspect. Fights can be avoided just by being aware of a bad vibe in a place. They can be avoided during initial eye contact simply by smiling. They can be avoided at verbal phases simply by having a friendly tone. Its very difficult for someone to start a fight with someone who comes across as friendly. Fights usually escalate only when each phase is 'won', i.e. visual will usually escalate to verbal if they feel you looked weak and looked away/down etc. Verbal will escalate to physical if you don't select the right words/tone.

Its a really interesting area which sadly is rarely explored.
 
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TangoSixteen said:
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Its true. I worry about these things. For instance, should I ever catch a burglar in my house, well, things would get nasty, and I may lock them in a room for a few days, and issue sporadic but controlled beatings.

Either that or if it happened really quickly and the other party foolishly decided to get involved in something, well, the last thing I want to happen is for any neighbours to see me dragging a body out onto the street.
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Stop, this is too much :D:D:D
 
You're either a fighter or you're not. No amount of Pyjama wearing or making 'Woooh-ahh-oooooh-weee-waahhhh-uuuuuuww' noises will make you one if you aren't.
 
doofer said:
You're either a fighter or you're not. No amount of Pyjama wearing or making 'Woooh-ahh-oooooh-weee-waahhhh-uuuuuuww' noises will make you one if you aren't.
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Very true, fight or flight is very much a thing, most people are flight.

TangoSixteen said:
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Its true. I worry about these things. For instance, should I ever catch a burglar in my house, well, things would get nasty, and I may lock them in a room for a few days, and issue sporadic but controlled beatings.

Either that or if it happened really quickly and the other party foolishly decided to get involved in something, well, the last thing I want to happen is for any neighbours to see me dragging a body out onto the street.
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This kind of post is so so so pathetic. I almost want someone to rob TangoSixteens house just to stand and bang with him for the 10 seconds it would take for him to cry to his mummy and get that real life wake up call.
 
Classic.

Great post's by the way, mostly all constructive but here is my 2 pence which I think you all have forgotten.

a lot, if not most of Martial Art's are defensive by nature, over time your brain will become accustom to the attacks that have slowly progressed from a 5 second warning to a split second warning... Hear the noise fighters make in movies? That's their warning.

So, if anything you will better deal with the situation in RL and be able to defend your self much better with some attacks to scare your attacker.

Martial Art's are not a offensive skill, but can be if used in certain ways.

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Dude
just make sure you've your keyboard ready at ALL TIMES and you have nothing to fear!
 
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