I was addressing the "if you have nothing to hide then why complain" mentality, rather than the police investigation.
Man imprisoned for not giving police password.
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I was addressing the "if you have nothing to hide then why complain" mentality, rather than the police investigation.
They can prove he didn't give the password. The real question is whether that law is just, not whether or not he broke it.
HAHAHa, That key would be broken easy, take some time mind u but is doable... Give it to DMU Uni and watch it crack
More likely, you dictionary attack it, then attempt to brute force it, then the heat death of the universe occurs, then you find out the password.
The thing is, I think millions of people probably have incriminating evidence on their computer. Be it illegally downloaded movies, music software, or just conventional porn of which some types the dear labour government have made illegal. Let alone people who downloaded something and ended up with something unexpected - happened to me a long time ago and although I promptly deleted the unzipped folder I forgot to delete the original zip/rar for week, besides which the evidence is already there even after you delete the content if the police really do there job.
I think it is only a matter of time before someone is imprisoned after watching some kind of content on one of the youtube-like porno sites.
I think it is only a matter of time before someone is imprisoned after watching some kind of content on one of the youtube-like porno sites.
Maybe he genuinely forgot it?
No idea how they know how long his password is.
It's easy to remember a 50 character password. For example, there are bound to be songs out there that you know all the words to. Take the first letter of each word in the song. The resulting 50 character mess will make no sense, and won't appear in a dictionary, but will be easy for you to remember because you know how to "regenerate" it. Add in some numbers and letters, say simple 1337speak or some other substitution cipher, and you're done. Near unbreakable 50 character password.
Example:
wywhbclyiteyjlaaysmmcyflafiabwiwiwsysfsbiaciawwthaidhidbh
First letters of the words in the first verse and chorus of Creep by Radiohead. 57 character password, utter gibberish, easy to "remember". Add in some numbers and special characters and it gets even more solid. Once your hands learn to type it, you'll hardly even think about it. Sorted.
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The lad does sound like he has something to hide, but only insofar as he's gone to jail for failing to provide a password rather than cooperate with a child sex offences investigation. At 19, for all we know he's just got a ton of pirated material locked up and he's too **** scared to let the police know about it. Maybe his youthful mentality convinced him that 16 weeks in clink for failing to provide a password is better than "omg a million years inside" for having a few pirated movies.
I'm not saying it's true, or even likely(?), but with anti-piracy advertising being the way it is you couldn't really blame him for thinking 16 weeks was the easy option. Maybe he just didn't think through the ramifications vis a vis the child protection side (i.e. he's a de-facto paedophile for not cooperating)?
Or, maybe he really is a dirty child molester. We'll probably never know. This law still sucks though. If you know he's up to no good, great - prove it. Just don't send someone to jail for having a private life.
I'm not saying it's true, or even likely(?), but with anti-piracy advertising being the way it is you couldn't really blame him for thinking 16 weeks was the easy option. Maybe he just didn't think through the ramifications vis a vis the child protection side (i.e. he's a de-facto paedophile for not cooperating)?
Or, maybe he really is a dirty child molester. We'll probably never know. This law still sucks though. If you know he's up to no good, great - prove it. Just don't send someone to jail for having a private life.
Exactly, just one way to do it, there are many others using a page from a book etc.
However it's not exactly convenient so you must really not want someone to get in
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Yup. He’s not heard of cooperation. The lad is a tool and deserves what he gets.
Why aren't they disclosing what exactly it is they think is on there and how they come to think that it's there?
For all we know when he was 17 he had a 15 year old gf he took a few pictures of which or something lame like that. The utter vagueness of this only leaves the seed of thinking the absolute worst which is clearly what the police are trying to achieve.
For all we know when he was 17 he had a 15 year old gf he took a few pictures of which or something lame like that. The utter vagueness of this only leaves the seed of thinking the absolute worst which is clearly what the police are trying to achieve.
LOL my memory ain't that good. I don't think I can remember the words to an entire song. Besides, would take ages to type in.
Well you can only assume the police had sufficient reason to seize his computer in the first place otherwise i doubt they'd of even got that far.
I suppose there are many reasons why he could refuse, even if he's not guilty of the crime they say its not unlikely he has something illegal on it. The question is what happens exactly if after the 16 weeks they still haven't cracked it? Or could this essentially be a 'get out of jail free' card for paedos?
I suppose there are many reasons why he could refuse, even if he's not guilty of the crime they say its not unlikely he has something illegal on it. The question is what happens exactly if after the 16 weeks they still haven't cracked it? Or could this essentially be a 'get out of jail free' card for paedos?
but 50 characters......
PROBABLY didn't use a word in the dictionary either maybe in 20 years they might finally crack it.
This. Maybe he's getting off far lighter than if they had a poke about his hard drive.
On the subject of encryption, what did he use?
Well no 50 characters would take a bit of time to get used to but you could easily do it if the password worked well for your fingers. No duplicate letters after each other and such.
HAHAHa, That key would be broken easy, take some time mind u but is doable... Give it to DMU Uni and watch it crack
I'm no expert, but the majority of encryption programs have systems in place so that after x attempts that's it, no more tries allowed.
So this now means that rather than having to find out the 50 char cipher key they now need the full key to decrypt the enciphered files. The password is not the encryption key itself, it's the cipher key that generates the encyption key. For instance if you create an AES256 encrypted file with the password "123" that does not mean that the key is just 123. 123 gets made into a xbit key, where x is dependent on the encryption standard used.
Of course I could be wrong, and I'm not in the UK at the moment so it's rather late here after a long day
But my point was whilst his password might only be 50 chars the encryption key could be much larger (dependant on algorithm used).
And depending on how the files were encrypted in the first place the police might not have the means to try and use the 50char password and have to go straight for the encryption key.
Good luck with that one
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