I dont know about all you lot but from what i saw of that video it seemed that teh police officer did deliberately push the cyclist off...seemed like he picked his target out and then went for him...cant see the issue here, the police officer is guilty as charged...muppet that he is.
Anyone know why he did this? (police brutality)
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No, he wasn't. He is traveling in a straight line, the manhole cover is parallel to the curb and the cyclists wheels follow the line on the manhole cover exactly. Only afterwards does he swerve as he see's the cop moving infront of him.
It's completely individual and I still say he wouldn't notice from that distance.
OK I was slightly off perspective, hes about to walk into the line of collision on his next step so speeds up at the same time the cyclist takes avoidance measures and swerves to his left.
To Rroff and anybody else who thinks it was an accident, have you not read the court testomy of the police officer?
I hope that stops the arguments now. He was ordered to do it. The guy flicked the bird at him, refused to stop so he took him out .....on purpose.
The police officer was also reported as saying this as he stood over the cyclist:
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ams_victim_over_2001_fatal.html#ixzz11mHm1uGp
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...top_protesters_by_any_mean.html#ixzz11mH5Kjpi
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...top_protesters_by_any_mean.html#ixzz11mH1JTsU
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...s_ordered_to_stop_protesters_by_any_mean.html
I hope that stops the arguments now. He was ordered to do it. The guy flicked the bird at him, refused to stop so he took him out .....on purpose.
The police officer was also reported as saying this as he stood over the cyclist:
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ams_victim_over_2001_fatal.html#ixzz11mHm1uGp
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...top_protesters_by_any_mean.html#ixzz11mH5Kjpi
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...top_protesters_by_any_mean.html#ixzz11mH1JTsU
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...s_ordered_to_stop_protesters_by_any_mean.html
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Watch the officer on the right, they are clearly looking for a gap to make it back to the pavement and start moving that way - no obvious intention of knocking someone off.
Now I can't discount as I said that the collision made the officer see red and he deflected the cyclist with more force than necessary, he does appear to possibly lunge more than you'd expect at the last moment but nothing upto that point indicates anything other than a mis-jugement from both parties.
Its possible the guy flipped him the bird possibly... its hard to see his right side from the video (or his approach)... but at no point does the officer visibly order the cyclist to stop in the video... he makes no hand gestures normally used when telling someone to stop and makes no visible effort to verbally either.
tbh if he didn't flip the bird I have no problem with what the officer did.
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You calling the cop a liar? That was his court testomy. If it was just an accident he should have defended as such, not say that he knocked him off purpose because he wouldn't stop.
Shame you posted this after my psot Rroff
makes no odds
if your a police officer ordering someone to stop you don't carry on strolling along with your hands in the neutral position and if he'd verbally told the guy to stop you'd have seen him facing towards the cyclist specifically rather than the watchful looking around he does.If he'd previously flipped them the bird been told to stop and this was him coming around for another pass to taunt them then I have no problem with them using force to stop him.
Look at this thread... everyones out to crucify the cop... tho not exactly the smartest way to try and get out of it in court.
Thats exactly what I see... tho in slow motion the lunge at the end does look a bit more forceful than just deflection but its hard to be sure - again the key is to watch the cop on the right otherwise its easy to mis-interpret the officer on the left's actions prior to the actual point of contact.
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Interestingly, all the police I met in the US were great. They have a much greater respect for police over there too in general.Because they can - the Police can do whatever they damned well like, even more so in the USA than in the UK
Probably because they carry guns though
do you think thats because of what they see in the vid or their hate for the police ?
makes no odds
If he'd previously flipped them the bird been told to stop and this was him coming around for another pass to taunt them then I have no problem with them using force to stop him.
Not if you were trying to catch the cyclist off guard so look like you were walking normally and then BANG to take him out at the end.
Did the cyclist do something illegal or insult the policeman? Probably a yes as he wouldn;t have won his case.
Did the policeman go too far in stopping the cyclist? Debatable. Criminally no as he was found not guilty of assualt on the other hand the cyclist won his civil case for damages.
I still can;t see the point in debating whether it was an accident. The police don;t claim it was and even his sargeant testified that in his opionion he overstepped the mark and used excessive force.
ALl we should be debating is based on the facts in court that the guy flicked the bird and refused to stop, was the officiers reaction and use of force justified?
He does seem to imply later in his testomy that he didn;t use his baton or Mace as they were warned there would be loads of people with videos and to be careful.
Interestingly, all the police I met in the US were great. They have a much greater respect for police over there too in general.
Probably because they carry guns though
maybe because they dont take any crap over there....like our coppers here do, which makes them borderline useless at times.
I think its perfectly fair to debate the video... most of what goes on in court is far from factual anyway.
I don't see anywhere in the video where he makes any attempt to signal the guy to stop - I've never seen a policeman try to get a cyclist to stop without making distinct hand signals.
There was that chap a while back who was found drunk in charge of his lad's modded Hot Wheels car... That was a brilliant story.
Daily Wail link.
Can't believe the magistrates are wasting their time with matters such as that, you can walk faster than that but drunk walking isn't a crime.
What next, drink driving on a horse?
How do you get the horse to carry the car?
Nobody is out to crucify cops heck they keep us safe most of the time but this is blatantly deliberate and not called for. It's bizarre that you continue to defend it, it's bizarre some many defended it in the first place.
