Farmer Murdered over botched burglary
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No one is forced into crime, you make a choice.
As someone who knows Tony Martin and was in the area and also talking to the police and people involved with this case there is plenty of nonsense spoken about his case. The young lad who was shot was shot from the stairs in the dark while trying to get out of a window, the other bloke who was injured didnt mention the young lad when he crawled to a nearby house. The lad bled to death in the grounds of his house, if the his "mate" mentioned the other kid had been shot he may not of died. Not sure how many of you guys live in rural areas so you possibly dont understand the way the police work (or not) in this area. The police wont trouble travellers, to much hassle for them, ive seen incidents and been told not to report them as the police couldnt offer protection, in the same way ive been with some travellers when the police have just let them off and apologised for stopping them. This was all a step to far for him in the end, the polices inability to police rural areas cause people to try and take the law into their own hands, rightly or wrongly im not going to judge. If you lived by yourself knowing that a call to the police would at best mean at least a 30-60 mins wait before they bothered to turn up if at all, and someone was in breaking into your house for the third or fourth time in a matter of year, would you challenge them not knowing how many or if they was armed? Would you let them take everything you have? Or would you take measures to scare them away by any means possible no matter the consquences? Im not sure what i would do, i dont have a shot gun, just a nice hunting crossbow, but there was no way he knew what or where he was shooting as like i said he just aimed straight from the stairs across the room. Should he of shot at them? probably not, should the off been in house? course not. It was a tragic accident IMO, an avoidable one, by all parties, but i know one thing no one's broken into his house since.
People should be able to defend themselves and their belongings.
From a quick read, it looks as if Tony Martin tried other various approaches but was forced to take matters into his own hands.
I cant help thinking I may have done something similar myself in the same situation.
From a quick read, it looks as if Tony Martin tried other various approaches but was forced to take matters into his own hands.
I cant help thinking I may have done something similar myself in the same situation.
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Was it proven he fired at them and not into the air to try to scare them?
This was proven with the shot marks around the inside of the house, plus if you aim to hit someone with a shot gun they dont normally manage to crawl away to far from you. It was proven to be man slaughter which requires a lack of any prior intention to kill, rather than murder, the intent to kill - a state of mind called malice, or malice aforethought - or the knowledge that one's actions are likely to result in death.
Lol oh how I miss threads like this since moving away!
Over here I've been told if someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them "so long as you feel they were a threat to your or your family". That came from a police firearms inspector. I see no problem with that.
Over here I've been told if someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them "so long as you feel they were a threat to your or your family". That came from a police firearms inspector. I see no problem with that.
Yeah it's a shame we don't have any rules for self-defence in this country. That's why there's all the raping.
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Well if you will go around stalking Fox.....
That's just not on.
We all know that bullets cost money, it's cheaper to hang them, the rope can be reused.
Back slightly on topic, in this country amazingly enough we do have the right to self defence, up to and including lethal levels of force - as long as it's "reasonable" under the circumstances, as could be argued for any reasonable person given what they know at the time*.
And despite the DM, and some users on here who seem to think that you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching your family getting killed and your granny raped because the police will put you straight in jail for so much as saying "boo", Tony Martin's case is about the only one in decades to result in someone going to gaol for "defending" his house, because he didn't act in a manner that the CPS, the Judge or and this is fairly important, 12 members of the public** thought was reasonable.
*And oddly enough some of the same people who jump to the defence of Tony Martin, and go on about how they should have the right to kill anyone who looks at them funny (slight exaggeration), also massively criticize the police when they end up being involved in a fatal shooting of an armed idiot***.
**Those 12 members of the public will almost invariably find almost anyone not guilty in self defence cases that involve home owners (indeed they've found it so in cases where police officers have been killed by a home owner confronting an "intruder").
***Defined as anyone who waves a gun around near police officers, especially when they point it towards armed police officers.
First of all, Martin didn't call the police or ambulance either, but went to a neighbour for a cup of tea. He didn't tell them either. The first the neighbours knew about it was when the ambulance showed up. Which had been called by Fearon, the dead boy's accomplice. If Martin had done that one thing, he probably would not have been convicted. But combined with him opening fire without warning it was enough for a jury.
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I hate reading stories like this. Why are there so many **** people in the world?
There aren't "so many", from a population of well over 60 million incidents like this are extremely rare in my opinion.