What? That lovely Pagan holiday? Which is only remotely christian because it is called christmas...
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What? That lovely Pagan holiday? Which is only remotely christian because it is called christmas...
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well i see them as diffrent Im allowed to!
Im allowed to!1. The first uses of common era date to 1615, it's hardly a modern invention.
2. One of the problems with dating from the date of Jesus birth is that we don't actually know when it is. In fact, it's widely acknowledged that Jesus almost certainly wasn't born 1 CE; so if the dating used is anno domini then calling it 1AD is wrong.
I'm agnostic and will quite happlily celebrate Christmas. Especially considering it's roots and it's now very much non religious nature. At the end of the day having some sort of festival/holiday at midwinter is just a good idea in general, brightens up an otherwise dreary time of year.
The meaning of the terms are inherently religious. You couldn't make it any more religious - the entire calendar is made very specifically for the religion. If you don't want the calendar to be religious, you must change the calendar and not just the name. If you number your years from the birth of the founder of a religion, your calendar is religious.
It's not reassessing scriptures to see if you have interpreted it wrong, it's point blank ignoring certain scriptures ...
Perhaps if the church stuck to an exact interpretation of the bible people will finally see what a load of BS religion is.
Exactly!What? That lovely Pagan holiday? Which is only remotely christian because it is called christmas...
They wrote this:
That's a clear statement of atheism. Not Catholicism.
Do you think that only Catholics help each other and get along with everything? If you don't think that, you can't think of those things as being definitive of Catholicism.
What does that have to do with anything in this thread?
The fact that the argument was that since we are a Christian country we must keep using BC/AD
I'll thank you for showing me scriptures that state that the universe is earth-centric.
EDIT: Anthrocentric? The entire bible is anthrocentric. Can't think of a fancier word than earth-centric.
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i agree with dmpoole on this one. i'm the most anti religious person there is but why change it? you might as well change the year to 4,500,236,215 or something - its stupid. the origins of the system don't matter - its universal, stick with it - if you change it, it just makes you look like a ****.
I said it was stupid to change when the vast majority in the UK uses it and then you started going on about people not being real Christians.
It was before protestantism existed. There was only catholicism back then, with anything else punishable by death for heresy. You're probably thinking of the Gregorian modification of the calendar, which happened when England was a Christian country with an Anglican monarch, but that was just an update to the existing Christian calendar to improve accuracy.
I don't care if people advocate changing the numbering of the years to something areligious because they don't want a religious calendar.
I don't care if people advocate keeping the current religious numbering of the years because so many people are so used to it.
I do care a bit about people advocating using a religious calendar and having everyone pretend it isn't a religious calendar. It's a dishonest position.
I said it was stupid to change when the vast majority in the UK uses it and then you started going on about people not being real Christians.
But if it is for academic writing surely the ideal thing would be to adhere to whatever rules the academic writing uses? I have to reference all my work using the APA style, not something I would normally do in every day life. But it is part of the style of the course I am doing.
It's anthropocentric I believe.
I'm not some biblical scholar to give you more references, but I do know that the church used scripture as a means to say why Galileo was wrong
I said that BCE/CE is the mostly widely used system worldwide and that it doesn't really matter what you use, the number is the same.I said it was stupid to change when the vast majority in the UK uses it and then you started going on about people not being real Christians.
I'm not Christian, but I am not against using BC/AD, so just leave it as that. To change the terminology seems silly to me; it's hardly a big deal. Not because of her reasons, just because that's what people are more used to (I didn't even realise there was an alternative!) and using BC/AD isn't doing any harm.
Universities by their very nature have got to be outward-looking organisations. They're dealing with students and academics from other countries all of the time.
Universities replaced imperial with SI units a very long time ago and with good reason. It only makes sense to use the internationally recognised standard for dates too.
Universities replaced imperial with SI units a very long time ago and with good reason. It only makes sense to use the internationally recognised standard for dates too.
No, you are not a catholic. A catholic is a person who has faith in a specfic god (the Abrahamic god) and in a specific religion for worshipping that god (catholicism). You very clearly have neither faith, so you cannot possibly be a catholic.
So you are an atheist, according to your own words.
Catholicism isn't some sort of fashion statement or something. You don't get to be a catholic because you wear a particular style of clothes or something. Catholicism is entirely about believing in things you've explicitly stated you don't believe in. You have stated your viewpoint to be absolutely opposed to the most fundamental part of catholicism - it is truly bizarre that you claim to be a catholic.
Are you seriously so utterly ignorant of the religion you claim to have been brought up in and claim to still follow (while also claiming the exact opposite)?
Or are you trolling me? If so, then you fooled me. Well done, you get some points.
Puppies.
Yes. But recognising that the modern calender is based on a religious foundation and reaffirming the existence of a messiah as lord of the people is something else.
People who haven't heard of common era terminology haven't been to school in the last dozen years. It was taught to me in RE over 10 years ago.
Offense it taken, not given. She's chosen to get a bee in her bonet because she's took it upon herself to feel that she's being discriminated against and also seems to be taking enjoyment out of playing the martyr card.
I suggest you reply and explain a few points:
1. Universities are by definition, secular and objective places of study. Cultural legacies are not justification enough to prevent the forward movement of knowledge.
2. BC/AD or BCE/CE are a choice. The course will adopt the latter, but she is free to adopt the former. They both represent the same arbitary calandar anyway.
3. The UK is not a Christian country. Statistics can be skewed any way people desire and the last census has repeatedly been commented on for not being entirely accurate. Many people for example, identified themselves with being Christian simply due to being born in this country or unaware of other definitions. Indeed, there was very much a stigma attached to atheism, etc. during the last census which has since vanished thanks in part to technological improvements and open cultural dialog (books such as The God Delusion, et al. have promoted this). The reality is that the UK is moving to becoming a totally secular country and most of the population are not religious. Being deemed a Christian country is again, simply one of cultural legacy and not a contemporary accuracy. By stepping away from old shackles, it does not mean we are discriminating against them, nor does it mean the 'Mussies' are winning.
Tell her to stop wasting her time and to concentrate on her degree.
I suggest you reply and explain a few points:
1. Universities are by definition, secular and objective places of study. Cultural legacies are not justification enough to prevent the forward movement of knowledge.
2. BC/AD or BCE/CE are a choice. The course will adopt the latter, but she is free to adopt the former. They both represent the same arbitary calandar anyway.
3. The UK is not a Christian country. Statistics can be skewed any way people desire and the last census has repeatedly been commented on for not being entirely accurate. Many people for example, identified themselves with being Christian simply due to being born in this country or unaware of other definitions. Indeed, there was very much a stigma attached to atheism, etc. during the last census which has since vanished thanks in part to technological improvements and open cultural dialog (books such as The God Delusion, et al. have promoted this). The reality is that the UK is moving to becoming a totally secular country and most of the population are not religious. Being deemed a Christian country is again, simply one of cultural legacy and not a contemporary accuracy. By stepping away from old shackles, it does not mean we are discriminating against them, nor does it mean the 'Mussies' are winning.
Tell her to stop wasting her time and to concentrate on her degree.