Britain's Defences

Given the Iraq war and terrorist attrocities of late, I don't think British intelligence is worth the headed paper it is written on.

A bold statement there BH.

I just wonder what atrocities they have prevented and if you bring the US intelligence community into play, love them or otherwise we in the UK would have been hit more times than 7/7 without them.
 
A bold statement there BH.

I just wonder what atrocities they have prevented and if you bring the US intelligence community into play, love them or otherwise we in the UK would have been hit more times than 7/7 without them.
Yes but why would you let some logic get in the way of a good old bashing of our Security Services?
 
A bold statement there BH.

I just wonder what atrocities they have prevented and if you bring the US intelligence community into play, love them or otherwise we in the UK would have been hit more times than 7/7 without them.

My point exactly, you only get to know about the plans that they didn't stop in time, for all you know they could stop 100 for every one that gets through.
 
Combined with the US int agencies and military capability who else is in the world is more informed/equipped/funded?! :confused: lol
 
Um, HELLO WMD & Iraq.


US & UK Intel both said there were WMD, almost everyone else knew that there probably wasn't.

YOU knew did you? What are you sources? Got guys on the inside? I think people will want to talk to you about "stuff"!

The issue with the WMD was that there was evidence to suggest an agenda by Iraq to develop WMD. There were tell tale signs that this was their objective but as said above, it was all over hyped. Somewhere along the line the Probable/Possible assessments became Confirmed, and incorrectly so.

Still, I don't think you are qualified to assess their capability, they do a better job than any other countries int capability.
 
A bold statement there BH.

I just wonder what atrocities they have prevented and if you bring the US intelligence community into play, love them or otherwise we in the UK would have been hit more times than 7/7 without them.

Who knows, that's the nature of the business innit. All secret squirell stuff and that.

The only way you can judge it is by its failings that we know of.

Four major terrorist attrocities in the last few decades. The MI5 knew of the bombers cell for up to a year before the 7/7 attack, but they completely under-assessed the threat.

What is to prevent a tragic systemic failure like that happening again?

And just how many of our Spies have been caught trying to sell our states secrets over the years?

Oh, and not to mention the Iraq and "45 minutes" that resulted in our international security WORSENING.

God knows how many failings in Northern Ireland now with these new age republicans as well as the rest of the history.

The butler report over Iraq;

'But the report came to a very British conclusion - yes, there were failures but no, no individual can be blamed.'

Yes, no individual. It's either political whitewash, and or systemic failures in the way our country deals with humint and other sources of information.

How many rendition flights? How many people have the British Secret Services helped or been complicit in kidknapping people from around the globe at will?

Too many accusations are thrown at our security services for me to be entirely confortable with their efforts/ethics at times to be honest.
 
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