Nvidia Shenanigans again?

[Freddie1980]

The likelihood is that the sites that worth reading (Anandtech, Bitech, Toms, [H]) won't be using the benchmark anyway and the sites that do will be the less reputable ones so I wouldn't to excited over this.

Also try an look at this from Nvidia’s POV – the competition is mean and lean and has you beat at every price point and now their going to launch a new range of cards that are faster and even more profitable, what do you do? Try and discredit the performance of there new products is one part of the strategy and discounting on current lines is the other half.

Look at the Quality of the Image of the metal pull down shutter through the windows.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIxNjUzMjA0NVllSElBYUxjSkRfNF84X2wucG5n

It's all blurry on the Geforce, looks like the anisotropic filtering might have been set low at the driver level.

 

[Final8y]

The likelihood is that the sites that worth reading (Anandtech, Bitech, Toms, [H]) won't be using the benchmark anyway and the sites that do will be the less reputable ones so I wouldn't to excited over this.

Also try an look at this from Nvidia’s POV – the competition is mean and lean and has you beat at every price point and now their going to launch a new range of cards that are faster and even more profitable, what do you do? Try and discredit the performance of there new products is one part of the strategy and discounting on current lines is the other half.



It's all blurry on the Geforce, looks like the anisotropic filtering might have been set low at the driver level.

+1

 

[Final8y]

It's all blurry on the Geforce, looks like the anisotropic filtering might have been set low at the driver level.

anisotropic filtering was set the same for both cards just like the AA & also the roof near the back on the right is more blurry.

 

[Jibber55]

What, who is it speculation? It's a quote from AMD stating that 6800 cards are effected that I posted.
If it effected all their cards. Why would they say it's just the 6800 cards? Do you not think that if it effected all their cards, they'd be making a bigger deal of it?

I'm done with this thread now, some of the posts are just getting past fanboyism and childish. If the best responses that people can come up with to valid discussion is "lol fanboy, Nvidia are corrupt and trying to pull the wool over your eyes!!!112", there's no point even trying to treat you like adults.

You can go on and on about corruption and bribery all you like, I'm out.

Why would they only mention 6*** cards??? Are you serious!?!
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE NEW CARDS COMING OUT MAYBE?

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just pointing out that you are making an assumption based on nothing but your own speculation.

Anyway, thanks for coming!

 

[Stanners]

I thought it was the method of implementing tesselation that was causing the problem on the 68** cards as it is different to the 5*** cards ?

 

[kylew]

I thought it was the method of implementing tesselation that was causing the problem on the 68** cards as it is different to the 5*** cards ?

They said the fix they came up with will benefit all GPUs. Seemingly Ubisoft wanted to include poorly optimised tessellation, and AMD offered a performance fix for no loss in image quality.

 

[RavenXXX2]

" That's what AMD said " always two sides to every story.

 

[arknor]

anisotropic filtering was set the same for both cards just like the AA & also the roof near the back on the right is more blurry.

you have to study a zoomed in picture to even notice it? in a game your actually playing you would never spot it

do amd not want people to use any benchmarks with a lot of tesselation then or just hawks?

 

[kylew]

" That's what AMD said " always two sides to every story.

Yeah, and the colour of your graphics card determines which side you take.

These aren't the first nVidia and Ubisoft shenanigans though are they?

 

[RavenXXX2]

I'm being natural here, it's the AMD fans jumping to conclusions.

 

[kylew]

you have to study a zoomed in picture to even notice it? in a game your actually playing you would never spot it

do amd not want people to use any benchmarks with a lot of tesselation then or just hawks?

There is such a thing as more than necessary tessellation you know? There's a threshold of what you'll see, anything above that and you're just wasting performance.

As for the Crysis image, it's demonstrating something dodgy is going on with nVidia's drivers.

 

[kylew]

I'm bing natural here, it's the AMD fans jumping to conclusions.

Bing Natural? Is that your real name?

Yeah, jumping to conclusions, like you're not doing that at all.

 

[Rroff]

Its not demonstrating anything precisely - tho its possible an IQ issue - but just as likely they weren't using identical AA, AF, texture quality, selective opptimisation, etc. options between the 2 cards. Used to see this all the time people would bench with a set level of AA and AF but leave the quality settings on default and the default settings are not equivalent between ATI and nVidia ( for that matter neither are the named profile levels - so you'd have to compare both IQ and performance ).


EDIT: Infact despite what the author of that image may or may not claim if you look in more detail they are blatantly not using equivalent levels of AF and texture quality - the roof on the right lit by sun and the bin surface are big give aways.

EDIT2: There was 1-2 driver releases that had crysis "opptimisations" that included artificially dropping updates on reflective shaders and forcing certain other lower quality shader options in the drivers so its possible it from that driver set - but thats been removed from all subsequent drivers.

 

[arknor]

There is such a thing as more than necessary tessellation you know? There's a threshold of what you'll see, anything above that and you're just wasting performance.

As for the Crysis image, it's demonstrating something dodgy is going on with nVidia's drivers.

so we shouldnt see any more unreal extreme tesselation benchmarks because amd might not be as good as nvidia so its not fair?

 

[RavenXXX2]

Yeah I'm all natural and neutral, I have no allegiance to anyone GFX vendor unlike some.

 

[An Exception]

Yeah I'm all natural and neutral, I have no allegiance to anyone GFX vendor unlike some.

Had to have a good Lol at this one...
He probably believes it as well! Lol lol looool

 

[GJ02]

Yeah I'm all natural and neutral, I have no allegiance to anyone GFX vendor unlike some.

LoL do you actually know what your saying ?
Should the 6970 own big time you will be all over it, then rant all the 480 owners and bigup the new card you own,
Unbelievable comment that raven

 

[An Exception]

so we shouldnt see any more unreal extreme tesselation benchmarks because amd might not be as good as nvidia so its not fair?

No of course we can, it's just the benchmark is irrelevant in the real world.

And for over tessellating in games to the point of increasing workload for no IQ benefit, then that is just a complete waste of resources and kills performance, which means we all then have to suffer lower FPS as a result of Nvidia's BS.

 

[RavenXXX2]

LoL do you actually know what your saying ?
Should the 6970 own big time you will be all over it, then rant all the 480 owners and bigup the new card you own,
Unbelievable comment that raven

The fact that I have no problem jumping from AMD to Nvidia and visa versa shows I am not a fanboy of either company, did I **** of the 5870 when I got the 480, no I don't think I did.

 

[kylew]

so we shouldnt see any more unreal extreme tesselation benchmarks because amd might not be as good as nvidia so its not fair?

Well that's not what I said, now is it? I didn't talk about fair. Extreme tessellation is pointless if it doesn't improve image quality, that's the point.

Of course nVidia will be pushing for extreme tessellation even if it doesn't improve image quality, because that's all they have going for them at the moment. Turning tessellation up to 11 is pointless if you can't see any differences beyond 2. nVidia don't care about that.