5 Things You Won't Believe Aren't In the Bible

[boxman2000]

It amazes me, if you look at the different choirs of angels, to consider what kind of drugs the writers of the bible had to be on, in order to come up with the following..

Had it not ever occured to you that John, who received these by way of visions, by the by, didn't have the words or was able to articulate things that he saw because nobody had even imagined them, let alone seen them:-

1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. "

That is Paul quoting Isaiah 64:4 for those who think the bible contradicts itself.

How would you have described an Apache hellicopter 1000 years ago? Some 'winged beast' or a dragon or something?

It amazes me

It amazes me too!

 

[Pudney]

Hmm, well if you want to be really picky then Roman Catholicism is not the same as Protestant Christianity - infact the word Catholic means 'universal' so the clue is in the Roman part TBH.

It would be a mistake to umbrella Roman Catholicism with Protestant Christianity as basically the RC teachings curse any/all who do not agree with their views (including Protestants) - Council of Trent.

RC stems from what we now call Protestantism.

Often when people accuse Christians of adding/removing stuff from the Bible it is often through the RC church with writings such as the Council of Trent etc.

Not to go out RC bashing but just to clear that small matter up.

Seriously?

I'm not umbrellaring (new word) Protestants, Catholics or any other class of Christians.

The definition of Christianinty is the belief of Jesus as the son of God. Therefore any faith which holds that as the central point is Christian.

The denominations are quite obviously different and I'm well aware of them and their causes. But that has nothing to do with what I said.

Christianity is a class of religion, a "kingdom" if you want to use biological terminology I guess religion being "domain". Protestants, Catholics, Orthodoxy are all "phylums". Seperate but of the same family.

N.b. I have basic biology knowledge so apologies for any rubbishness with my biological categorisations for religion

Just like humans are apes, and gorillas are apes, doesn't mean we the same as each other now does it, but we're still of the same ultimate domain...

 

[boxman2000]

Seriously?

I'm not umbrellaring (new word) Protestants, Catholics or any other class of Christians.

The definition of Christianinty is the belief of Jesus as the son of God. Therefore any faith which holds that as the central point is Christian.

The denominations are quite obviously different and I'm well aware of them and their causes. But that has nothing to do with what I said.

Christianity is a class of religion, a "kingdom" if you want to use biological terminology I guess religion being "domain". Protestants, Catholics, Orthodoxy are all "phylums". Seperate but of the same family.

N.b. I have basic biology knowledge so apologies for any rubbishness with my biological categorisations for religion

Just like humans are apes, and gorillas are apes, doesn't mean we the same as each other now does it, but we're still of the same ultimate domain...

I know what you're saying but Catholisicm it is not a denomination of Christianity as Methodist, Anglican, CofE, Baptist, Pentecostals are classed. People may call it this but they are two distinct belief systems, although do hold common beliefs but with some major differences.

It is more than "you say tomato I say tomato" (difficult to type that saying!) but that was why I clarified the difference as some people were quoting RC sources and I wanted to state the difference.

 

[Pudney]

I know what you're saying but Catholisicm it is not a denomination of Christianity as Methodist, Anglican, CofE, Baptist, Pentecostals are classed.

Quite a common misconception - have a read about the reformation. Don't tend to see Baptists burning Anglicans

So Catholics aren't Christian? What about Eastern Orthodoxy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

Christianity (from the Greek word Xριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheisticreligion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.[2] Christianity comprises three major branches: Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (the two split from one another in 1054 A.D.), and Protestantism (which came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century)


Like I said, I'm fully aware of the events that created the branches of Christianity.

Edit: Although now looking at your edit I see the problem. After growing up in a protestant country you seem to fail to appreciate the history and the meaning of the words you use and completely misassociate things.

 

[ordinaryjoe]

So Catholics aren't Christian? What about Eastern Orthodoxy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

Christianity (from the Greek word Xριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheisticreligion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.[2] Christianity comprises three major branches: Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (the two split from one another in 1054 A.D.), and Protestantism (which came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century)


Like I said, I'm fully aware of the events that created the branches of Christianity.

Edit: Although now looking at your edit I see the problem. After growing up in a protestant country you seem to fail to appreciate the history and the meaning of the words you use and completely misassociate things.

So would you call Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? (not a rhetorical question)

 

[Vonhelmet]

So would you call Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? (not a rhetorical question)

Indeed. They are not Christians, for long and boring reasons that I don't know off the top of my head.

 

[Pudney]

So would you call Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? (not a rhetorical question)

Of course I would. Because they are. By definition...

 

[Pudney]

Indeed. They are not Christians, for long and boring reasons that I don't know off the top of my head.

They are Christians. They're not necessarily recognised Christians by some of the mainstream denominations but then I've known Catholics and Protestants to hold the same view of the other mainstreams as well.

Mormons and JWs are extremist Christians, which causes mainstream denominations to reject them as Christian. Ultimately that position is incorrect, and indeed those who are Mormons or JW consider themselves as Christians.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a religion just a popular sect, imo.

 

[Sayso]

Scientology would like to invite you to meet Xenu...

hehe nice

 

[SexyGreyFox]

So would you call Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? (not a rhetorical question)

I know loads of Jehova's and have the utmost respect for them because they are Bible readers and most know the Bible inside out.
Jehova's are definitely Christians.

 

[Castiel]

I know what you're saying but Catholisicm it is not a denomination of Christianity as Methodist, Anglican, CofE, Baptist, Pentecostals are classed. People may call it this but they are two distinct belief systems, although do hold common beliefs but with some major differences.

It is more than "you say tomato I say tomato" (difficult to type that saying!) but that was why I clarified the difference as some people were quoting RC sources and I wanted to state the difference.

You are a little confused I think, Catholicism is Christianity, that is a fact and without question.

You are confusing denominations of Protestant Christianity with Christianity in general. Only Protestantism is further divided by denominations, the others are a single church, but all are Christianity in origin and belief structure.

There are several principle forms of Christianity the first and oldest form being Roman Catholicism which was founded sometime in the 1st or 2nd century followed by Oriental Orthodoxy in the 5th century, Eastern Orthodoxy in the 11th century and Protestantism and Anglicanism (which are very similar, but some do count them separately) in the 16th Century.

Their beliefs are all the same, with only minor differences. The major differences are in doctrine and interpretation of those beliefs.

So would you call Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? (not a rhetorical question)

Indeed. They are not Christians, for long and boring reasons that I don't know off the top of my head.

The Mormons nad Jehovah Witnesses are Christians, some Christian's, especially those from established churches such as Catholicism and Anglicanism try to say they are not, going so far in some cases as to be deemed Heresy mainly because they reject Creeds entirely, but they belong to a group called Christian Primitivism or Restorationism, in this group you have the Later day saints (Mormons), Christadelphians, Seventh Day Adventists and several others.

 

[Glaucus]

Their beliefs are all the same, with only minor differences.

Minor?
I would say belief of Hell and that the pope can change doctrine, is not minor disagreements.

 

[Mr^B]

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a religion just a popular sect, imo.

So they're not a religion, just a popular religion?

I suspect you meant to use the word "cult"...which they aren't either.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Minor?
I would say belief of Hell and that the pope can change doctrine, is not minor disagreements.

But all are Christians though, I think that's the point that is being made. You can debate the extent of the disagreements but it's all under the umbrella of Christianity.

 

[Glaucus]

But all are Christians though,.

Yep, it just sounded like he thought they where all basically the same. When in fact there are pretty large differences.

 

[V4NT0M]

That article was pretty meh I believed all of them and half of them weren't true or were obvious anyway.

 

[Castiel]

Minor?
I would say belief of Hell and that the pope can change doctrine, is not minor disagreements.

Like I said, the interpretation and doctrine are major differences.

Their basic tenets of Faith are the same. Their interpretation of that faith is different. There are some minor differences in the Faith itself, mainly revolving around the trinity, but the main belief that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and Son of God remains the central tenet of all forms of Christianity.

They all have a Creed which while different, are all based on the Symbolum Apostlolum, or Apostles Creed although some of the Evangelical and Restorative sects (I use the term loosely) reject the Trinity or Creed altogether, hence Vonhelmets statement that the Mormons for example are not Christians (they are, just not by a Credo definition)

So interpretations aside, the central belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ differs little.

 

[Castiel]

Yep, it just sounded like he thought they where all basically the same. When in fact there are pretty large differences.

Not to appeal to authority, but I have studied religion and Christianity in particular in depth, (as anyone who has followed my posts on similar threads will attest to I am sure) and that was not my intention, and I would have made a far larger and more detailed post about the relative differences in Creed and Doctrine had I though it necessary. (I didn't at the time as I was answering a relatively basic mistake by boxman)