Brit cop punch man 5 times in the face.
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Fair enough, but what's your view on CS and batons?
I've been hit with both enough times to know that I'd rather be hit with them than a taser.
I doubt very much whether the police training manual includes instructions to punch someone in the face several times. Punching someone in the face with bare knuckles can be very dangerous. Looks a clear case of assault to me and I hope the police officer is charged and found guilty.
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I was taught that if the situation merited it, then punching in the face can be perfectly reasonable.
So, what would you have done in that situation?
So many people trying to claim they know more about Policing than actual Police.
So answer me, what would you have done?
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having been sprayed with PAVA and tasered i know which one i'd prefer.
taser over and done with in 5 seconds
Obviously in very extreme circumstances anything may be necessary but it's hard to think of normal restraint situations when punching in the face would be required - certainly not in this case where there were two police officers against one who was already on the ground and being tasered.
I don't "claim to know more about policing than actual police" but I also don't believe that most policemen would have responded to the situation in the way that policemen did in the video. Policemen do make mistakes.
I also am no expert in how to restrain a suspect so yes you can criticize me on that, but I still believe that punching the guy in face 4 times was not required. They already had the guy on the ground, were on top of him and had begun to use the taser. It looked like they were already in complete control of the situation without the need to punch someone in the face.
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And that's the problem. These taser videos show people being hit and then ready to go again in an instant. So they get hit again and again and again until they've had enough juice put through them to light up Blackpool. That's torture. At least with CS spray when you get hit you're blinded, drooling and if you're still wanting to go you're probably ****** on crystal meth.
But with proper C&R training there wouldn't be a need for CS spray or tasers to subdue one individual. Unless they are on meth.
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except they will never admit it, and neither in particular will burnsey
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I do laugh at the armchair experts. There are many factors that contribute to the use of PAVA/CS. What if you're a 8 stone female officer. Do you expect them to use their "proper C&R techniques" to restrain an 18 male in drink? Things simply aren't as simple as you think.
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What?
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your response makes me doubt that youve ben sprayed, not experienced CS spray but PAVA (what most if not all forces in the uk have used for a number of years) doesnt just blind you it hurts like hell.
usually the threat of a taser is enough to make somone compliant if not the shock (not electric shock buut suprise shock) of being tasered is enough to make people compliant OR gives officers enough time to get a better position/apply cuffs.
it is very difficult to restrain somone that is drunk and fighting with you with just 2 officers.
also whats this C&R?
If a woman officer is incapable of restraining someone under the influence they should call in back up. And I know all about C&R my dad was RUC, my mum in the prison service. My mum was actually better at C&R than my dad. I've also been to many demonstrations where I've been arrested and officers capable of executing proper C&R have never needed to punch me in the face. A good arm lock by a competent cop and I didn't want to struggle anymore, because you only end up inflicting more pain on yourself.
Drumcree was the last place I was hit with spray. And C&R is control and restraint techniques.
Thugs and cowardsThere's a contradiction if I ever heard one
Not a contradiction at all. They wouldn't dare do half the stuff they do unless they knew they had their 'get away with it without charge' certificate, and knowing that they have several other people behind them who are willing to jump in.
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Same as some of the scum you get on rough estates, with their pack mentalitys. Thugs and cowards.
No contradictions.
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ah that makes sense, should have thought of that haha. call it different thing here.
The problem is Tasers are a nice tool because there's quite a few people (and I've come accross some) who are immune to the effects of CS and other incapacitants and batons don't always work that well because the suspect could be wearing bulky/thick clothing.
It's never going to end well if you have some 6 foot 5 goliath who's off his head on coke and is immune to incapicitant spray. This is where Taser is useful. It stops us (police) from getting hurt trying to restrain him and stops him getting hurt being bundled by about six officers.
As mentioned the good thing about Taser is that it's over quickly and doesn't have any lasting effects. I've had both used on me as part of my job and I much prefer getting Tasered to having a blast of CS in my face.
I'm 6ft 6 and have been arrested while under the influence of drugs and drink and never required a taser. The bulky/thick clothing argument is ******** too. Once the batons come out I've been in lines that fall back. Getting smacked in the legs with one, regardless of what you are wearing is extremely painful. Obviously a taser isn't over quickly as we continue to see videos surfacing of cops having to hit people with them multiple times and as for lasting effects, we won't go into all the people who've been killed by tasers due to undiagnosed conditions that wouldn't have led to their deaths had they been hit with a baton or spray.