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6970 or 6990 or something else

opethdisciple said:
I was of the understanding that SSD dont offer much gaming performance over conventional hdd??
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According to Windows Experience Index, primary hard disk is the most urgent upgrade for me.

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On the serious note, I don't game that much nowadays and the PC games I play the most do not require half of the power of my graphics card. I think getting an SSD is a much more sensible upgrade, I can't really see the point in pumping the cash into new graphics cards every year, let alone every few months.

Also, all that talk about GTX580 is just speculation.
 
NVidia have no where to go, they haven't planned on redoing the architecture, they are banging on with their same old tired very simple architecture, they have no room at 40nm to add more shaders.

The 6970 has had miles of room to expand into and they've improved the architecture, the 580gtx, is a 480gtx respin, utterly laughable its called something new. AT best its a 4890 card, 10-20% faster depending on the game and the limitations would be my guess. Frankly AMD could make a loss making 500-530mm2 card with awful yields, sell it at a loss and be 40% ahead of it. AMD aren't in the business of throwing money away in an e-peen contest. However the 6970 I think will be faster maybe not by much, but while being a 25-30% smaller chip, using less power, and be, you know, profitable.

This could very easily be the first time AMD is faster at every single pricepoint(as usual) but also have the single fastest gpu, the best dual gpu card, and better xfire scaling than sli scaling(judging by 6870 xfire vs 470gtx sli). All that, plus a lower priced high end part, that makes a profit.

I really don't know how long 80% of the industry can realise smaller cores, more efficiency and designing for a process while Nvidia just design the biggest thing you can then forcing a sqaure peg into a round hole and having massive issues.

Its not even the small die, its efficiency, their efficiency is horrible, 60% bigger core, 60% more power, 15% faster? They could make a 530mm2 core with the same efficiency as AMD and have something 60% faster aswell, at which point the 480gtx would have been worth the same as a 5970 would have made a profit at £550 and offered the same value as AMD.


580GTX will suck, Nvidia's next real chance is at 28nm, if they make a 1024 shader card very similar shaders to GF100, it will be as useless and unprofitable.
 
You guys do realise that the leaked 580 pics were more than likely intentional and to coincide with the release of the 6900 series AMD cards. Based on Fermi I would not hold out for the 580 lol (I'm referring to release date and not performance here)
 
580 gtx is NOT inspiring me with confidence at this stage.
It looks like its got worse stock cooling than 480gtx. This will probably limit its overclocking potential. But maybe the respins and mature 40nm did it some favours.
What made 480gtx a good card is its overclocking. Bring it to 850mhz and its a different beast. On stock speed though, this card is a bit of a dog (hot and there i said it slow unless u like Heaven bencmark.
Tom Petersen, Nvidia's Technical Marketing Director, told us, "it's not the perfect [GF100] chip." <-----no ****.

Maybe 580gtx will be?
I doubt it...
 
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I enjoy a spot of Nvidia bashing as much as the next man but I'm not really sure it's possible to say that the "GTX580 will suck" and expect to be taken seriously.

If you take the conservative rumoured numbers for the GTX580, 10% performance increase and 15% less power draw than the 480 at load, it's still pushing the sort of numbers that make it a very competitive card even before you take the other advantages Nvidia brings to the table via propriety tech (CUDA, Physx et al.). Depending on overclocking margins it could be a damn impressive card. I'm not sure about anyone else but If I was given one for Chrimbo I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at it.

(I may however set up a donation page for a beefier PSU - 550W OCZ just won't cut it ;) ).

Yes, the 69** range may well be better than the 580 in real-world usages rather than artificial benchmarks, but "not generally as good as" doesn't mean "sucks".

Looking ahead, it'll be very interesting to see if Nvidia pushed through with this sort of architecture at 28nm or whether they revert to the more balanced approach AMD is taking. The answer is probably based on how much money is in the GPGPU market, of which I have no idea :).
 
snedie said:
It's going to be another GTX480, in that it costs a **** load and does bugger all to justify the cost...Especially when a 5970 is only a fraction more and 40% faster.
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Thats harsh, the 480 was a very good single GPU solution, for those that did not want Xfire/SLI, although it was quite expensive, it was one of the fastest single GPU cards you could buy

It also spawned the cut down 470 which IMO is a very solid card, with good OC potencial, a lot less money and not a lot less performance

I remember people said the same things about the 280GTX, which i thought was a very good single GPU again, not everyone wants Xfire/SLI cards and the top end single GPU while expensive is there to cater to those who want the absolute best speed single GPU

I agree Nvidia are not doing so well of late, were it used to be ATI Xfire cards like the 3870X2 and 4870X2 taking on top end single GPU Nvidia cards, at the right now single GPU ATI cards seem to have caught up and may even soon pass single GPU Nvidia cards in terms of peformance, but i guess these things tend to sway one way then the other
 
I willl get an Nvidia card for free benefits of being a games developer ATi/AMD always send us less cards but they got me hooked with my 3 screens off one card.

For this reason my own money will go to AMD.
 
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